1 2 3 4 5 6 7 AIRPORT PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING 8 Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9 9:00 a.m. 10 Airport Terminal Conference Room 11 1877 Airport Loop Road 12 Kerrville, Texas 13 14 15 16 AIRPORT BOARD MEMBERS: Steve King, Airport Board President 17 Kirk Griffin, Airport Board member 18 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF: 19 Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager Carole Dungan, Executive Assistant 20 21 COUNTY STAFF: Tom Moser, Commissioner Pct. 2 22 James Robles, Assistant Auditor 23 CITY STAFF: 24 (None present) 25 2 1 I N D E X March 11, 2015 2 PAGE 3 -- Airport Development and Capital Improvement 3 4 Adjourned 24 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Wednesday, March 11, at 9;00 a.m., an Airport 2 Planning Committee meeting was held in the Airport Terminal 3 Conference Room, Louis Schreiner Field, Kerrville, Texas, and 4 the following proceedings were had: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 MR. KING: I'd like to call the Airport Planning 7 Committee, March 11th, 2015, 9 o'clock, meeting to order. On 8 the agenda, we have airport development and capital 9 improvements, Tom Moser. I'll turn it over to you, Tom. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. Just for the 11 record, we need to say who all's here. 12 MR. KING: Okay. Yeah, I'm sorry. We got Tom 13 Moser from the County, Kirk Griffin from the Airport Board 14 and Stephen King from the Airport Board, and Bruce McKenzie, 15 Airport Manager. And -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: James Robles. 17 MR. KING: -- James Robles from the City. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. Just to go 19 back a bit, and I think all of us know this, but I'm going to 20 repeat it just for the record anyway. There's been great 21 progress in the operations of the airport over the last four 22 or five years. Really good. I mean, a lot of things to the 23 credit of the Airport Board and a lot of things to the credit 24 of the City and the County for creating the Airport Board and 25 letting it operate the airport. So, we've gone from $400,000 4 1 a year needed by the City and the County to help operate it 2 to hopefully, in the next year or two, be zero, okay? So, 3 that's just exemplary of where we are with this. At one 4 time, the Mayor of the City of Kerrville, David Wampler, 5 recommended and established a planning committee, and the 6 planning committee was to be an informal group of people, two 7 principals from the City, two principals from the County, two 8 principals from the Airport Board, which would meet quarterly 9 for the purpose of communication. And I think that was -- 10 and correct me in place here, Steve, if I'm -- 11 MR. KING: No, that's correct. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And it's to make sure that we 13 had good communication with all parties, and that we didn't 14 have to do it and take up the whole Airport Board operations. 15 Planning was primarily to talk about where are we going? 16 Where is the airport going in the future? With that, there 17 was a -- a fairly comprehensive master plan established a 18 number of years ago. I think we spent a couple hundred 19 thousand dollars on establishing that airport -- that master 20 plan. It's a great plan. We know every square inch of this 21 airport, what it could or should be used as, at least as a 22 baseline. Perfect -- perfect document for that. So, with 23 that, the need for the planning committee wasn't really 24 there. But -- and the reason for asking for it today is I 25 think that there is a purpose for having a planning 5 1 committee. Two things have happened -- well, let's see. I'm 2 going to go back one. When we established the master plan, 3 we said ground rule number one is we're not changing any of 4 the infrastructure as far as landing and take-off 5 accommodations. Runway lengths were the same. We just 6 finished spending $15 million or something like that on 7 drainage and everything else, so we thought we had a good 8 airport. We had not developed the other land areas of the 9 airport, so that was the purpose of that, but we said the 10 rest of it we're freezing as far as the master plan is 11 concerned. 12 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That brings -- brings to 14 bear -- there's two things that have prompted me to want to 15 have this airport -- the planning meeting today. 16 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Number one, some concepts that 18 were presented to Senator Cornyn's staff in the last couple 19 of weeks -- and I don't remember the exact date, but it's 20 probably week before last -- showed some improvements to the 21 airport which included constructing a flight control tower, 22 establishing a customs office, and extending the runway to -- 23 main runway to 7,400 feet. I don't know why that type of 24 concept was not reviewed at a planning committee, at least 25 discussed, because I know that we've discussed these things 6 1 in the past. We couldn't see that a control tower -- 2 commercial flights made any sense, okay? We talked about a 3 customs office. There were several residents in the area 4 that had an interest in -- in a customs office. I think 5 Bruce looked at that fairly extensively; said, you know, if 6 you want the -- if there's a need for a customs office, 7 whoever needed it could build it on the airport, and as I 8 recall, it was like about a million bucks, something of that 9 sort. 10 MR. KING: Plus yearly maintenance. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Plus yearly maintenance, plus 12 T.S.A. 13 MR. KING: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But we said we will enable it, 15 but we will not take the taxpayers' money to promote such a 16 thing. So, I think these things could be an issue when this 17 type of thing gets out, especially to members of Congress and 18 at the federal level, and members of the state don't know 19 about it; TexDOT Aviation, the Airport Board, you know, other 20 members of the community. If this thing got out, we'd all be 21 inundated with, "What are you guys doing out there? You're 22 getting ready to spend a lot of taxpayer money, and you 23 haven't shown any need for it." So, I was a bit disturbed to 24 see that. I accidentally heard about this thing, as I think 25 most everybody did. So, point number one, I think that 7 1 that's important to have the planning committee, if there's 2 something like that that's an idea, bring to it the planning 3 committee and let's discuss it. Let's take it to the board, 4 and let's take it to the citizens if necessary. 5 MR. KING: Let me say one thing on that. I've not 6 heard of this. I've been out of town for about a month; I 7 have not heard anything, and no one's called me, no one sent 8 me an e-mail, no one's notified me. I mean, I think you got 9 to go back a little further. The purpose of the Airport 10 Board, when it was established, and in its last reiteration 11 of all the different ways we've had it, but the last Airport 12 Board was established with people on the board who had 13 knowledge of different parts of aviation, different parts of 14 business development, different parts of finance. And, in 15 other words, it was a board that would be established to be 16 able to sort of guide the airport through its future, to see 17 where it would go, with the help of the Airport Manager. And 18 so, you know, when I hear about things like this, I'm a 19 little bit -- it makes me a little bit uneasy, in that -- 20 that you have people who have -- and I'm not saying that this 21 Airport Board has all the knowledge in the world about what's 22 going on at the airport, but, you know, most of us have been 23 around airports for a long time. 24 We pick these Airport Board members -- you know, we 25 choose our members not through a popularity contest, but 8 1 through their ability to contribute to the Airport Board. 2 You know, we've had a banker on the board, we've had a -- you 3 know, somebody working for NASA, someone with -- Tom, you've 4 been on the board, and we've got all these different people 5 have been on this board, and they've not been there just by 6 accident. They've been there because people could contribute 7 something. So, I'm a little bit -- I'm a little bit uneasy 8 with people in the -- in the community, whether it be anyone 9 that's -- especially in a position of one of our owners or a 10 position of -- you know, that can affect the Airport Board 11 and affect the overall operations of the airport by going, 12 you know, pretty much out on their own. 13 I think that is a perfect example of what this -- 14 this particular committee is for. You know, it's basically 15 supposed to vet things that come through, ideas and stuff, 16 and then if they have merit and we can agree that, you know, 17 they probably should be taken to the board, then be taken to 18 the board. And so, you know, we -- on all three of those 19 issues, the airport tower, we looked at -- comprehensively 20 looked at that, not just, you know, through a little bit of 21 looking in the newspaper and reading and making a few phone 22 calls. We looked at it -- and, you know, they're closing 23 towers. They had a big round of -- not necessarily in Texas, 24 but in the United States, of closing towers that are not 25 needed. So, you know, we were told, and we -- we've had -- 9 1 we have contacted all these people, that, you know, it's 2 almost impossible to get one right now, unless you want to 3 pay for it, you want to pay for the operations of it. And 4 I'm not a big believer in building these things and then 5 trying to figure out a way to pay for them after they're -- 6 after they're built. And that's what happens on most of 7 these projects. 8 The customs center is -- making this a customs, it 9 would be really a neat idea if we had a customs, but we 10 looked at that. We looked at that from the request of an 11 operator on this field out of San Antonio that was interested 12 in doing that. The costs were prohibitive. The costs are -- 13 this building is not -- it would be a different building. 14 This building is not even up to any sort of standards for 15 that type of a -- you know, it requires a jail. It requires 16 -- I mean, the requirements, Bruce McKenzie went through 17 there and looked at it and presented it to the Airport Board. 18 And then you take into account that it's going to cost you a 19 couple hundred thousand dollars a year to run the thing. 20 Well, I can't go back to the City and the County and ask for 21 a couple hundred thousand dollars to run a customs service 22 for 10 people a year that want to come in here. I mean, they 23 can fly right into San Antonio. 24 By the way, San Antonio is building a beautiful new 25 customs center down there in San Antonio through one of their 10 1 F.B.O.'s, through the F.B.O. on the other side of the field. 2 They're building a separate customs center that is under 3 design right now and everything to establish a big customs 4 area in San Antonio for the traffic coming out of Mexico and 5 everything. So, it's going to be -- I mean, that's under 6 construction right now. There is no way we can compete with 7 that. I mean, and most people, you know, flying to San 8 Antonio, even with the new laws where you can overfly the 9 customs -- the customs entry points on the border, you can 10 overfly them straight to San Antonio now. It's alleviating a 11 lot of the need for a customs place actually in these 12 outlying areas. 13 So, you know, as far as length of runway, I've 14 looked at length of runway on this thing many times. We have 15 an optimum runway. We have a 6,000-foot runway, which is 16 bigger than every other airport in our area except for San 17 Antonio, Kelly, Randolph, and Austin and stuff like that. We 18 have -- that's the optimal. You know, every business jet 19 that we'll ever have here can get into 6,000 feet. I dare 20 say adding another 1,000 feet to that runway would gain us 21 zero -- not one, zero aircraft in a year. It's just not 22 going to happen. As far as -- as far as scheduled service 23 into this airport, pick up the phone and call San Angelo. 24 Pick up the phone and call Del Rio. Ask them what happened 25 over in Del Rio. Those people, American Airlines -- or 11 1 American Eagle does not come to your city and just start 2 flying. You have to subsidize them. That's a huge subsidy 3 that's paid to American Eagle for them to come there. San 4 Angelo -- I believe San Anglo has dropped theirs now, Bruce? 5 I think they dropped it; they can't afford it. San Angelo's 6 got 100-some thousand people; they couldn't afford it. Del 7 Rio, they can't afford it. It's a huge subsidy you have 8 to -- these people don't just come here and say, "Hey, let's 9 fly into Kerrville; it's a great place." They do it because 10 somebody puts money on the table. It happens with all these 11 airlines. I'm familiar with the one in Florida -- in Destin, 12 Florida, the new airport in Panama City. Southwest is being 13 subsidized to fly in there. Southwest is paid on a yearly 14 basis, "X" number of dollars per flight to come there for a 15 certain period of time. It's not free. They don't come 16 here for free. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And it doesn't -- and I think 18 we've discussed this in the past, too. It doesn't make sense 19 from -- from a business and marketing standpoint too, because 20 you have to have a lot of flights every day for somebody 21 around here to use it. If there's an hour or two between 22 flights, they're not going to use it, 'cause they can drive 23 to San Antonio just as quick. Proximity to San Antonio. 24 MR. KING: One other -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And San Angelo probably even 12 1 has a better opportunity, 'cause they're further from San 2 Antonio. So, it -- business-wise, it doesn't make sense. 3 MR. KING: Abilene's another example. Pick up the 4 phone and call Abilene. Talk to their airport director and 5 find out what it's cost them to have American Eagle fly in 6 and out of there. It's not free. And I'm just -- I guess 7 what the point is, I don't really want to drive this airport 8 in a direction that cannot -- that you can't accomplish. I 9 mean, there's no way to get there. I mean, these are items 10 that -- these are items that should be brought to the Airport 11 Planning Committee -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 13 MR. KING: -- and vetted out, discussed. If we 14 need more research on it, we'll have Bruce do more research 15 on it, or have the office -- have -- you know, we can do 16 research on it and then present it back to the committee, and 17 then it can be discussed. And then if it has merit, go on 18 the Airport Board's agenda. That's the procedure. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Exactly. 20 MR. KING: So -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So that -- from my 22 perspective, that's -- that's well stated of what -- how the 23 planning committee could have functioned in this before it 24 got out to anybody at the national level. Second subject 25 that should have been brought to the planning committee, and 13 1 it has to do with the Mooney contract to fix the roofs. 2 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It was a conscientious 4 decision by the City, the County, and the Airport Board, to 5 give Mooney the authority and responsibility for fixing the 6 roofs of the city/county facilities over there. We 7 conscientiously knew that. There was discussion about 8 Mooney's ability to do that. They're not in the construction 9 business. It was agreed that we would -- there would be a 10 consultant which would represent the interests of the Airport 11 Board, the City and the County in doing that. But the idea 12 was to also to let Mooney have the flexibility to enter into 13 that contract, considering what was needed over there for 14 their operations, because they had some flexibility that -- 15 that none of us knew, nor should we know what they have. 16 That was a different approach; it was agreed to. I think it 17 was moving along pretty -- pretty well. 18 The other thing that -- that had a major attribute 19 to it is -- two things. Number one, the City and the County 20 are each putting in half a million dollars, which they're 21 obligated to do, and that was the limit on that. It was up 22 to Mooney if they chose -- Mooney International, I should 23 say, if they chose to change that. If they needed more 24 money, they were going to have to come up with it, or they'd 25 have to come back to the City and County and say, "Hey, 14 1 here's what we need to do for your facilities." Mooney 2 International has been -- I would call it a partner in this 3 whole operation. They have done every single thing they said 4 they were going to do. Everything from day one, from putting 5 in new equipment to going from six employees to 100-plus 6 employees. They've done every single thing that they said 7 they were going to do. 8 It was disturbing to some of us to understand that 9 there was an agreement that was needed or desired to make 10 sure that Mooney said that they were going to do what they 11 were going to do. I think that that should have been brought 12 to the planning committee, okay, 'cause this has to do with a 13 long-term investment of capital over there, and capital 14 facility, and if that was the requirement that we were 15 imposing on our partner over there, I think that that needed 16 to be brought to the planning committee first before we post 17 facto decided that Mooney needed to sign an agreement. I 18 think the agreement in itself, from the draft I've seen of 19 it -- and that's all I've seen was a draft. I haven't been 20 involved in any of the discussions, nor has the County been 21 involved in any of the discussions between Mooney and the 22 City on this. We've known about it through -- through the 23 City Attorney telling the County Attorney. So, I think those 24 are the kind of things that have to do with capital 25 investments and this planning committee, again. 15 1 So, I hope we have not, with this action, 2 compromised our partnership relationship with Mooney 3 International. I know they're considering, you know, 4 building a new airplane somewhere. I think that, you know, 5 that's going to be a tedious negotiation of where they build 6 that. I think that, you know, we clearly want it to be here. 7 That is a real -- that's a real planning committee effort to 8 understand what, when, and how, and decide how we would 9 proceed on that. But as I say, you know, that -- that whole 10 thing would need to be vetted. So, I think with these two 11 things, it just exemplifies that we need to have a planning 12 committee. And I was hoping we'd have a full -- full 13 participation here today, but we will -- we'll report this 14 back to the Airport Board at the Airport Board meeting. But 15 I think two good examples of why -- and full credit to David 16 Wampler, okay, for thinking we needed a planning committee. 17 MR. KING: Sure. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I thought we didn't need one 19 several months ago. 20 MR. KING: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I was wrong. We do need a 22 planning committee. 23 MR. KING: You know, you brought up a good point. 24 I'm not -- I've got the e-mails on this -- on this agreement 25 between the City -- with the City. You know, I think that's 16 1 something that we'll look at at the meeting -- I'll discuss 2 at the meeting -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 4 MR. KING: -- on Monday. But, you know, these are 5 things that -- that, you know, we try to drive all -- drive 6 all discussion back to the Airport Board. You know, it's 7 supposed to be a conduit for -- for getting things done here 8 at the airport. In other words, you know, we really don't -- 9 we don't encourage one party -- you know, I believe they -- 10 we had the -- that was one of the problems we had 10 years 11 ago, you know, when I was not even on the board, was, you 12 know, one party doing something and not telling the other 13 party. And that's the reason we ended up with this board and 14 this consistency the way it is, is because -- you know, 15 there's a reason there's no councilmen and there's no 16 commissioners on the board. You know, there's -- that didn't 17 just happen overnight. That happened, you know, with a 18 little help from, you know, state government. So, you know, 19 this is just another example, I believe, that these things -- 20 you know, Mooney has done every -- I'll just repeat what Tom 21 said. They've done everything. Everything that we've asked 22 them to do, they've done. 23 You know, they're spending a half million dollars, 24 400-something thousand dollars on a facility they don't own, 25 they will never own. They will never own. They will 17 1 basically stay in the facility, and whenever they leave the 2 facility at some point, if they do, we get the improvements. 3 And so, you know, I don't think you can ask for a better 4 partner to offer to do that. You know, most -- in most 5 circumstances, they would have come back to us and said, 6 "Hey, fix your building. We're renting it from you, by the 7 way. Did y'all notice we didn't buy it? We're renting it 8 from you." So, you know, I think that's -- to me, that's the 9 biggest bit of -- that's the biggest showing that they are 10 committed to Kerrville, that they're willing to put 11 $400,000 -- 400-some thousand dollars into a facility they 12 don't even own. If you try to amortize that over 20 years, 13 that's still going to be $20,000, $30,000 a year that they're 14 spending on that, that they've given us on that building. I 15 mean, so -- you know, I think in the past, you know, we've 16 been skeptical of different owners -- owners of Mooney and 17 everything, but I think we have a very good owner right now 18 who has very big plans for Mooney worldwide, and that we -- 19 you know, I can only hope that we can be a part of their 20 future plans. And by making it as -- I think you just have 21 to give them a little more credit than what we've given them 22 in the past. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. Precisely. And, 24 you know, in addition they indicated they're going to build a 25 museum. 18 1 MR. KING: Exactly. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which is -- what was it, 3 $800,000 or something like that? 4 MR. KING: Right. Right. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So I think -- you know, I 6 think what we want to do is treat them as a partner, and with 7 respect. And some of their principals have a little 8 different culture than we do. We need to recognize that, and 9 -- and in so recognizing it, you know, benefit everybody. 10 MR. KING: Where are we on that? Where are they at 11 on that, Bruce? I'm not -- like I say, I had intermittent 12 e-mail when I was gone. Where are we at on that agreement? 13 MR. McKENZIE: As of yesterday, I've given Barry 14 the clean copy. Nobody else has made any comments. The City 15 was good; the County's good, and I asked for comments from 16 the board. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. No. 18 MR. KING: Have y'all looked at the document? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've looked at it. I've got 20 some -- some questions, but what we decided to do is wait 21 till Mooney comes back with their comments, okay? 22 MR. KING: Are they -- have they come back with 23 comments before they've looked at it at least once, or -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: Oh, yes, sir, they have. 25 MR. KING: What were their concerns? I'm trying -- 19 1 I was trying to understand what the -- 'cause I couldn't -- I 2 read the document. What was the concerns of the City? Do 3 you know, James? Do you have any input on that from the City 4 side? 5 MR. McKENZIE: He's from the county. 6 MR. KING: That's right, you're in the county. I 7 mean, we don't know what their concerns are as far as what 8 they -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They wanted to make sure that 10 Mooney was going to, I think -- and full credit. I think 11 just me reading and interpreting -- I haven't been at any of 12 the meetings, but I think what they want to do is simply say 13 if the City and the County were putting in half a million 14 dollars, they want to make sure that Mooney was going to put 15 their money in, so therefore they were asking for a letter of 16 credit or something to say, "Yea verily, we will do what we 17 say we're going to do." 18 MR. KING: Sure. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My problem, personally, and 20 then from the County perspective -- I think I can speak for 21 the County -- is Mooney has signed a contract -- 22 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- that says that they're 24 committed -- 25 MR. KING: Right. 20 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- to that. 2 MR. KING: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so, therefore, they've 4 committed for a certain amount. And -- and I'm not a lawyer, 5 but to me, that says we don't need something else from 6 Mooney. From my other perspective, if Mooney were to go away 7 tomorrow, -- 8 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- okay? And if that roof 10 were fixed only to the tune of a million dollars, whatever a 11 million dollars worth of work we got out of it, we'd have to 12 fix the rest of it anyway. 13 MR. KING: I agree. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, therefore, I don't see the 15 objective purpose of this -- 16 MR. KING: I agree. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- extra agreement. The other 18 thing is, it clearly says that if it goes above the contract 19 value, Mooney is responsible for it. 20 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I would be surprised if Jerry 22 Chen would buy that, you know. 23 MR. KING: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So I don't know where Mooney's 25 going to come on this. So, it's -- I've seen a draft or two 21 1 that -- you know, not directly, but indirectly from the 2 County Attorney. So, we'll just see where it goes. 3 MR. KING: Well, like I said, I think that we got 4 -- we have to assume that they -- you know, they're going to 5 spend the -- they're going to spend their money over there. 6 They've committed; they've said they would spend their money. 7 They could have told us, "No, spend a million dollars," and 8 we'd get what we can for a million. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 10 MR. KING: But they want the whole thing fixed, or 11 they want as much as they can get fixed from what the bids 12 are. And we -- I think we probably need to -- the worst 13 thing I think we can do on this thing is stop the ball, is to 14 stop it from rolling. We need to keep it moving. We need to 15 keep it rolling and everything, because they're not shut down 16 right now. They're still producing over there, and so we -- 17 you know, we need to allow them to continue to do their part 18 of the -- their -- you know, their part of the deal -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 MR. KING: -- was to come in here and build a 21 business back up and everything, and it's already been six 22 months now, six -- six, seven, eight months on this thing 23 already, and not a screw's been turned. Not anything has 24 been done. So, okay, we'll discuss this again at -- at the 25 Monday meeting also. 22 1 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 2 MR. KING: 'Cause, I mean, I really would hope -- I 3 hope that we can move on, get off -- I've looked at these 4 contracts, and in my opinion -- and I've looked at them in 5 this thing. You can micromanage them to death. I mean, you 6 can word them -- you can wordsmith these things until both 7 parties just fall over dead. I mean, we got -- at some 8 point, you just have to, you know, agree and shake hands, and 9 let's get the work done. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think -- I think it 11 boils down to two things. City and County agreed to turn 12 over to the Airport Board the operations. 13 MR. KING: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All three parties -- Board, 15 City, County -- all agreed to turn over the repair of the 16 roof to Mooney. 17 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Once you do that, the best 19 thing to do is back away and let the person or the entity 20 that's going to do it, do it. 21 MR. KING: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that's it in a nutshell. 23 MR. KING: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And if we think that's not 25 right, then come to the planning committee and talk about it. 23 1 MR. KING: I agree. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's all I have. 3 MR. KING: What did you say, Bruce? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Steve, additionally, and it segues 5 into what you just mentioned, to keep this rolling, this is 6 on our agenda Monday. 7 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. McKENZIE: I put it on there specifically so 9 the board could approve that document, because our attorney 10 said it's solid. 11 MR. KING: Okay. 12 MR. McKENZIE: So I just need that -- that's a 13 little intermediate step so it keeps rolling, just so the 14 board knows. And that's why I sent the e-mails out, so we 15 can vote on it. 16 MR. KING: Okay. 17 MR. McKENZIE: And approve it. Then, like 18 Commissioner Moser said, it's in Mooney's hands. 19 MR. KING: That's fine. 20 MR. McKENZIE: They just -- and it shouldn't be an 21 issue now. It's solid. I've been in on every meeting. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not solid until Mooney -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: As far as we're concerned, it is. 24 MR. KING: Right, until Jerry signs off on it. 25 MR. McKENZIE: Until Mooney signs off, yes, sir. 24 1 MR. KING: I agree. Okay. Anything, Kirk? 2 MR. GRIFFIN: No, sir. 3 MR. KING: I wanted to at least get your voice on 4 the recording. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's all I have. 6 MR. KING: Okay. Well, thank you very much. 7 Anything, James? Sorry, James, I apologize. I tried to 8 associate you with the city. 9 MR. ROBLES: Oh, that's all right. 10 MR. KING: Not that you wouldn't want to work for 11 them, but I wanted to clear that up. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Adjourned? 13 MR. KING: Adjourned. Thank you. 14 (The meeting was adjourned at 9:28 a.m.) 15 - - - - - - - - - - 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 25 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 I, Kathy Banik, official reporter for Kerr County, 4 Texas, do hereby certify that the above and foregoing is a 5 true and complete transcription of my stenotype notes taken 6 at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 11th day of March, 2015. 8 9 _______________________________ Kathy Banik, Texas CSR # 6483 10 Expiration Date: 12/31/16 Official Court Reporter 11 Kerr County, Texas 700 Main Street 12 Kerrville, Texas 78028 Phone: 830-792-2295 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25