1 2 3 4 KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 5 Regular Meeting 6 Monday, July 20, 2015 7 8:30 a.m. 8 Airport Terminal Conference Room 9 1877 Airport Loop Road 10 Kerrville, Texas 11 12 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: 13 Stephen King, President Corey Walters, Vice-President 14 Ed Livermore Bill Wood 15 Kirk Griffin 16 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF PRESENT: 17 Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager Carole Dungan, Executive Assistant 18 19 COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: Brenda Doss, Auditor 20 21 CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jack Pratt, Mayor 22 Sandra Yarbrough, Finance Director 23 VISITORS: 24 Barry Hodkin, Mooney Aviation Company 25 2 1 I N D E X July 20, 2015 2 PAGE 3 CALLED TO ORDER 4 1. VISITORS FORUM - 5 2. KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD MEMBER FORUM - 6 3. CONSENT AGENDA 7 3A Approval of 7-15-15 Board Meeting Minutes 4 8 4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION 4A Monthly Financials 4 9 4B Independent auditor selection 12 10 4C Runway 3/21 rehabilitation project 14 11 4D Mooney fence, possible relocation 31 12 4E Use of Buildings 18 and 19 (Executive Session) 33 13 4F Discussion of items resulting from Airport 14 Planning Committee meeting (Executive Session) -- 15 5. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION: 5A General Update 39 16 5B Mooney parking lot and paving project 43 17 6. EXECUTIVE SESSION 46 18 7. ADJOURNMENT 46 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, July 20, 2015, at 8:30 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board was 3 held in the Airport Terminal Conference Room, Louis Schreiner 4 Field, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were 5 had in open session: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 MR. KING: I'll call this meeting to order of the 8 Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board, July 20th, 2015. 9 Item 1, visitors' forum. At this time, any person with 10 business not scheduled on the agenda may speak with the 11 Airport Board. No deliberation or action may be taken on 12 these items because the Open Meetings Act requires it to be 13 posted for 72 hours. Visitors are asked to limit their 14 presentations to three minutes. Anyone want to speak? 15 (No response.) 16 MR. KING: Item 2, Kerrville/Kerr County Joint 17 Airport Board forum. At this time, any member of the Airport 18 Board may speak to the board or the public present on any 19 item not scheduled on the agenda. No action may be taken 20 because the Open Meetings Act requires it be posted for 72 21 hours. If formal action is to be taken, it'll be placed on 22 the agenda in a future meeting. Anybody on the board? 23 (No response.) 24 MR. KING: Item 3, consent agenda. Items listed on 25 the consent agenda are considered routine by the board and 4 1 will be enacted in one motion. There will not be separate 2 discussion of items unless a board member or citizen 3 requests, if which event each item will be removed from the 4 general order of business and considered in normal sequence. 5 Item 3A, approval of the June 15th board meeting minutes. 6 MR. WOOD: I make a motion we approve them. 7 MR. KING: Second? 8 MR. GRIFFIN: I'll second. 9 MR. KING: Second. Any discussion about it? All 10 in favor? 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 12 MR. KING: Was that you, Bruce? 13 MR. McKENZIE: Sir? 14 MR. GRIFFIN: You were here for this meeting. 15 MR. KING: I was here. 16 MR. McKENZIE: I was here, yes. 17 MR. KING: Yes. 5-0. 5-0. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Do we need to approve the special 19 one too? Oh, we can't; it's not on the agenda. 20 MR. KING: Item 4, discussion and possible action. 21 Monthly financials. Who's doing those today? 22 MR. McKENZIE: Brenda. 23 MR. KING: Hey, Brenda. Any changes significantly 24 from last month? 25 MS. DOSS: No, sir, except the payment's down for 5 1 the construction project for the Mooney roof. 2 MR. KING: For the Mooney roof? 3 MR. McKENZIE: Starting to show up. 4 MS. DOSS: Yes. 5 MR. KING: Okay. 6 MR. WOOD: I got a question. 7 MR. KING: Yeah? 8 MR. WOOD: Page 3. 9 MR. KING: Page 3? 10 MR. WOOD: Yes, sir, under the parking lot leases. 11 MR. KING: All right. 12 MR. WOOD: And what triggers my question is, the 13 parking lot is totally full. 14 MR. KING: I know. I was going to bring that up. 15 MR. WOOD: And prior year, we've -- we've received 16 $6,500 worth of income at this point. This year we've only 17 got $3,000. Are we -- did we lose some people out of the 18 lot? Or -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: We're still at 18 memberships in the 20 lot, and those come in at different times of the year. These 21 billings come in -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Did we have 19 a year ago? 23 MR. McKENZIE: We had 19 a year ago. We lost -- if 24 memory recalls, we've lost one tenant in the last several 25 months. 6 1 MR. KING: Okay. 2 MR. WOOD: Well, maybe somebody -- somebody who's 3 here all the time that can notice, and hopefully can tell us 4 whether those cars are staying here. 5 MR. KING: I was going to bring that up. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Are you talking about our parking 7 lot? 8 MAYOR PRATT: Talking about this parking lot at the 9 building. 10 MR. KING: I'm double-parked out there. They're 11 three deep out in the middle of the road. 12 MR. McKENZIE: One of the reasons for that, 13 Steve, -- 14 MR. KING: There's no one here. 15 MR. McKENZIE: -- is because it's summertime. 16 People are coming in and out, and there's just a little more 17 traffic here during the summer. 18 MR. KING: Well, they all left. They're not coming 19 in and out, because they're gone. 20 MS. DUNGAN: Those are also the Enterprise rental 21 cars that have not been picked up today yet. This is Monday. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, and this weekend was the camp 23 turnover. Big -- thank you. 24 MR. KING: After those are gone -- 25 MR. WOOD: That might explain it. 7 1 MR. KING: Why don't you make a swing through the 2 parking lot? Let's look at it. I was out here last week, 3 and it was still full. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Yesterday it wasn't full. I was out 5 here yesterday morning. 6 MR. McKENZIE: The rental cars come back in on 7 Sunday evening. 8 MR. KING: I'd just like to be sure that we're 9 not -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: And I watch that. 11 MR. KING: I think I'd like to, 'cause I was out 12 here on -- last Thursday; I was out here in the evening on 13 Thursday evening, and heck, that thing was plumb full again. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 15 MAYOR PRATT: You might want to consider putting 16 signs up there that say, you know, "Parking limited to 24 17 hours." 18 MR. KING: Yeah, we've talked about that. 19 MR. McKENZIE: We've talked about that. 20 MAYOR PRATT: You just need some signage. 21 MR. KING: You know, it might not be a bad idea to 22 get a sign and put it as you're coming in or something like 23 that. What do y'all think about that? I just -- this is how 24 we got 18 people in the parking lot before, 'cause they were 25 all parked out there. 8 1 MR. WOOD: You got long-term parking just like an 2 airport. Long-term parking, short-term parking. 3 MAYOR PRATT: Well, you need -- you got to have a 4 time limit. 5 MR. KING: Yeah. We may have some potential 6 customers out there right now. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Let's give that some consideration. 9 MR. KING: Yeah. We can get a sign made up for not 10 very much, stick it out here as you come in. Parking in the 11 terminal is limited to -- 12 MR. McKENZIE: 72 hours? 13 MR. KING: Well -- 14 MR. McKENZIE: The weekend. 15 MR. KING: Well, the weekend. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday or 17 something. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: I got here so early, there were two 19 places right in front of me. I just parked, didn't think 20 about it. 21 MR. KING: Friday-Saturday, Saturday-Sunday, 48 22 hours. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Then what do we tell them if they're 24 here over 48 hours? 25 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, that's my next question. 9 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Then we got to start enforcing it. 2 MR. WALTERS: What are you going to do if somebody 3 comes in and says, "I'm going to be here for the weekend, and 4 you got a sign that says 48 hours. Where do I go?" 5 MR. McKENZIE: A lot of folks coming in here, like, 6 they go down south and they stay gone four or five days. 7 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 8 MR. McKENZIE: We know who they are, so -- 9 MAYOR PRATT: You do not want to stop somebody from 10 coming in. 11 MR. KING: No, you don't. 12 MAYOR PRATT: But, you know, you've got to maybe -- 13 your signage has got to say something about weekday versus 14 weekend. 15 MR. WOOD: Yeah. It just gets people's attention 16 and makes them aware that that's a short-term parking lot. 17 Then if they come in and they ask Carole or somebody, "Hey, 18 we're going on a three- to four-day trip. Where can I park?" 19 You know, and then at least we know. 20 MAYOR PRATT: You got these bumpers in front of the 21 building. Those should not be long-term parking at all. 22 MR. KING: Right, and I think that's where a lot of 23 those people are parking. So we just have to -- may have to 24 police it a little bit for us, but we'll -- let's talk about 25 a sign -- some sort of sign that wouldn't discourage -- I 10 1 mean, I don't want to discourage people from parking there, 2 but also, I'd like to make it -- bring it to their attention 3 that there's another place to leave your car. That's what 4 I'm more concerned about, is people leaving cars. 5 MR. WOOD: If the long-term parking lot is not 6 full, then somebody that comes in for a four-day trip, you 7 can give them a temporary day pass, just let them park in 8 there. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Possibly. 10 MR. WOOD: In the long-term parking lot. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, yeah. 12 MR. WOOD: But don't charge them. Just get them 13 out from the front of the building. 14 MR. McKENZIE: And just so the board knows, I've 15 removed cars from there in the past pretty consistently. 16 I've noticed them there over 30, 45 days -- 17 MR. KING: Here? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Parked right out here. And you've 19 got to go to the courthouse get the license number of them; 20 you've got to come back here and track them down and then 21 call them and send them a letter. And, you know, 22 eventually -- and that process takes two or three weeks. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: If you remove a car, where does it 24 go? 25 MR. McKENZIE: They usually move them. I've 11 1 never -- I haven't had to have one -- have one towed as of 2 yesterday. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: I see. 4 MR. McKENZIE: But you have to be careful about 5 towing vehicles as well. I've got a note -- a tow sign on 6 all the vehicles that are on the fence along -- behind 7 Hangar 1 there. I've got signs all along the fence. If you 8 recall, we moved all those cars about two years ago. 9 MR. KING: Right. 10 MR. McKENZIE: And that does pretty good, but every 11 once in a while, somebody will get in there -- 12 MR. KING: There's a Porsche over there right now 13 that I saw. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: Let's tow it. (Laughter.) 15 MR. KING: Because they couldn't find a place to 16 park either. 17 MAYOR PRATT: At least he parked on the grass. 18 MR. KING: I parked in the middle of the road. 19 Okay. Well, let's look at that, 'cause I think it is -- 20 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 21 MR. WALTERS: Get that white Cadillac first. 22 (Laughter.) 23 MR. KING: Okay. So, any more questions on the 24 financials? 25 MR. WOOD: No. 12 1 MR. KING: Motion to approve? 2 MR. LIVERMORE: So moved. 3 MR. KING: Second? 4 MR. WOOD: I'll second. 5 MR. KING: Discussion? None being heard, all in 6 favor? 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 8 MR. KING: 5-0. The auditor, 4B. 9 MS. DOSS: Yes. I'm still working on getting an 10 independent auditor -- external auditor. I have two that I'm 11 waiting to hear back from. I'm trying in the general area 12 closer to Kerrville, because usually the travel expenses are 13 a little less, and it would keep it more in line with what we 14 want to pay. So, hopefully I'll have some -- something to 15 report for sure. 16 MR. KING: Okay. Thank you very much. 17 MR. WALTERS: Are those out for bids? 18 MS. DOSS: Well, no, y'all didn't want to go out 19 for bids. I think you decided at the last meeting not to, so 20 I'm just calling around and trying -- 21 MR. WALTERS: What about that independent auditor 22 we had last year? 23 MR. KING: We can't use him. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: You missed that; I'm sorry. Her 25 previous job, she worked for that auditor, and so there has 13 1 to be a time frame that we stay away. 2 MR. WALTERS: Got it. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: So we told her the last time, "Hey, 4 since you guys are the ones to have to work with them, you 5 guys select who you want to and we'll go from there." 6 MR. WOOD: If you have trouble, we've got a guy 7 that does it for the Methodist Church named Randy Wagner. I 8 don't know if -- 9 MS. DOSS: Oh, okay. Is he a local person? 10 MR. KING: Yeah, Randy. He's a good guy. 11 MAYOR PRATT: Well, we had suggested also the -- 12 the city's auditors. 13 MR. KING: Yeah. 14 MAYOR PRATT: And they're familiar with -- you 15 know, they wouldn't come in here being rookies. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Who are they? Do you know? 17 MS. YARBROUGH: BKD. They're out of Arlington. 18 They always come down a couple weeks in November. 19 MR. McKENZIE: What you might want to bear in mind 20 is $7,500 is going to be the ceiling. 21 MS. DOSS: I know, sir, and that's the problem. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Well, that's our ceiling. 23 MAYOR PRATT: When they come down, get them on the 24 same trip. 25 MR. KING: Yeah, I was going to say that might be a 14 1 better idea. I would talk to them, 'cause that way you don't 2 have travel expenses, or at least they're mitigated because 3 they're already here for the city. Good idea. Okay, we'll 4 just keep Bruce in touch with that. Item 4C, Runway 3/21 5 rehabilitation project. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, thank you. I have now, 7 after several conversations with this board and with TexDOT 8 Aviation, with our planner, we have -- are moving forward 9 with this. And we will need at the next -- this is to rehab 10 Runway 3/21, the parallel taxiway, and Taxiway Echo, which is 11 the taxiway right behind Steve out here. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: You're talking about the runway 13 also? 14 MR. McKENZIE: No, just the taxiway. And the 15 Runway 3/21, that runway. It's the parallel taxiway, which 16 is Foxtrot, and then Echo, which is the taxiway here, to 17 rehab those three. 18 MR. KING: All three? 19 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: But not the runway? 21 MR. KING: Yeah, the runway. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Runway 3/21 and the parallel 23 taxiway. 24 MR. KING: What are you going to do? 25 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to go in there and rout 15 1 all the cracks in them, which is going to be a major project, 2 then crack-seal all of that, then come back and put a slurry 3 seal on top of all that, and then re-mark everything. 4 Everything will get new paint, and there's some other 5 ancillary things that will come along with that; not big 6 things, but when we get in here with the contractor, we'll 7 have to do that. We will go through TexDOT, 'cause it's a 8 90/10 project. They'll pay for 90 percent of it; we pay for 9 10. It appears at this point in time we can do design in 10 '16, which is our next fiscal year, and then construction 11 hopefully in '17, and at the latest '18, just depending on 12 their funding. 13 MR. KING: Yeah. 14 MR. McKENZIE: But what that will require is that 15 at our next board meeting, a resolution from this board, and 16 we'll have all that -- I'll have all of that at the next 17 meeting, that you will -- if you so agree to do this, that -- 18 that you'll agree to a resolution that we agree to do that. 19 Then I'll have two more resolutions I'll have to present to 20 the City of Kerrville and to Kerr County, and the mayor will 21 have to sign his, and the county judge will have to sign his. 22 We have to have all three. We just went through this with 23 the T-hangars; it's the same process. 24 MAYOR PRATT: Yeah. 25 MR. McKENZIE: You'll just have to make sure that 16 1 our owners are good, the board's good. It's a 90/10 funding 2 source. And at that point in August, I will respectfully 3 request we get those signed, maybe the night of the meeting 4 or next morning, because I've got to get them back to Austin. 5 They go to the Texas Transportation Commission on the 9th of 6 September for the Commission's approval. 7 MR. WOOD: So, we'd have to put approximately 8 $80,000 in our budget for the year that we're -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 10 MR. WOOD: -- doing all this stuff? 11 MR. McKENZIE: The engineering next year is going 12 to cost about 75,000. Of course, we'll pay 10 percent of the 13 engineering cost. They -- they take it, just like they did 14 the T-hangars, from the start to the finish; engineering, 15 management, just like it's a regular TexDOT Aviation project. 16 There's nothing unusual about it. 17 MR. WALTERS: Engineering is going to cost 75,000? 18 MR. KING: $75,000? 19 MR. McKENZIE: 75,000. 20 MR. KING: To fill cracks or -- 21 MR. WALTERS: No, that's just engineering. That's 22 not construction, is it? 23 MR. KING: That's just the engineering? 24 MR. McKENZIE: Just engineering. 25 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 17 1 MR. KING: 75,000. 2 MR. McKENZIE: I questioned that as well, and -- 3 MR. KING: I question everything they do. 4 MR. McKENZIE: -- we can talk about that offline. 5 MAYOR PRATT: That's just to get the stamp. I 6 mean, I got a problem with that. 7 MR. KING: Well, it's the same thing -- 8 MR. LIVERMORE: A lot of money. 9 MR. KING: We had the same situation with 10 T-hangars. When we got those costs, I thought they were 11 extravagant, but they pay 90 percent of it, so it's kind of 12 one of those deals where nobody -- I don't know who's making 13 the money. Somebody's -- 14 MR. WALTERS: I guess when we go for our -- when we 15 choose an engineer, I'd like to see or have you present to 16 the board exactly -- or explain what the engineering entails. 17 I mean, I just -- it seems like that's ridiculous for 18 somebody -- I don't know exactly what they're telling us for 19 75,000, when it's not a new construction project. It's not a 20 major -- even a major remodeling project, in my mind, if 21 you're sitting there talking about, you know -- 22 MAYOR PRATT: It's a maintenance issue. 23 MR. WALTERS: Exactly. You're talking about crack 24 filling and slurrying, you know, over asphalt. I mean, I do 25 that all the time, and I just don't understand what the -- 18 1 and I never get an engineer. You know, even if we're, you 2 know, cutting asphalt down to the base, you know. 3 MAYOR PRATT: Who's telling us we need an engineer? 4 MR. McKENZIE: TexDOT Aviation. 5 MR. WOOD: This estimate comes from TexDOT 6 Aviation? 7 MR. McKENZIE: This is their paperwork. 8 MR. KING: Bruce, let me ask you a question. We've 9 done this before? We've crack-sealed -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, we have. 11 MR. KING: Done it on our own? 12 MR. McKENZIE: We've done it here twice. 13 MR. KING: So we do it on our own. Did we hire an 14 engineer? 15 MR. McKENZIE: I did not. I did it myself. 16 MR. KING: Okay. 17 MR. WALTERS: I understand you. This is TexDOT, 18 and, you know, there's different rules and parameters that we 19 have to go by. But, I mean, that just -- 20 MR. WOOD: And if we did ours, then TexDOT would 21 have to approve it? 22 MR. McKENZIE: No, we can do it on our own. 23 MR. KING: They wouldn't help pay for it. 24 MR. WOOD: Right. 25 MR. McKENZIE: I would do it through a RAMP grant. 19 1 MR. KING: This project is going to cost how much? 2 MR. McKENZIE: It's got a $100,000 contingency, so 3 probably 700,000 bucks. 4 MR. KING: To crack-seal. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 6 MR. KING: And slurry. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Here's the reason I took a different 8 tack. I was going to do it out of our funding, but when the 9 Mooney situation came up -- and I'll say this with Barry 10 here, 'cause he knows; we've talked about this before. When 11 the Mooney situation came up, I had no idea we were going to 12 be spending $50,000 or $60,000 out of our money to do the 13 repairs on the -- the asphalt repairs over there, so that's 14 coming out of our RAMP grant. 15 MR. KING: Sure. 16 MR. McKENZIE: So, rather than me gamble that maybe 17 the following year I would have that, I thought, okay, I've 18 talked to our planner. She said, "We're all in. If you guys 19 want to do this, we'll take it." So, it's 90/10 money. 20 We're still in it for about $75,000 when it's all over, and 21 I've got a sure thing that we're going to get it fixed, 22 because something else may come up over at Mooney that we're 23 going to need to spend some of our RAMP money on, and I just 24 don't want to cut Mooney off, and I certainly don't want to 25 cut us off. So, that was a decision I made, okay. I tacked 20 1 that way, making sure that I had a sure thing. 2 MR. KING: Have you done an estimate to see what it 3 would cost just if we did it on our own? 4 (Mr. McKenzie nodded.) 5 MR. KING: Can I -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 7 MR. KING: How much would that be? 8 MR. McKENZIE: About $75,000. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: For the whole deal? 10 (Mr. McKenzie nodded.) 11 MAYOR PRATT: How much will they pay for that? 12 MR. McKENZIE: They won't pay anything. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Are you serious? You could do this 14 whole deal -- if they're estimating 800, you can do it for 15 10 percent of that? 16 MR. McKENZIE: With the exception of that taxiway, 17 Taxiway Echo, I'm pretty sure I can. 18 MAYOR PRATT: With the exception of -- what's the 19 exception? 20 MR. McKENZIE: The Taxiway Echo. 21 MAYOR PRATT: I understand that, but how much would 22 that cost? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Mayor, just to do that would 24 probably cost another 5,000 or 6,000, maybe. 25 MR. WALTERS: That's just crazy. 21 1 MR. KING: So, basically, if I'm not wrong here, 2 we're going to pay 82,5 for TexDOT to hire somebody's 3 brother-in-law to do this, you know, or whoever they're 4 hiring to do this for 825,000. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Heard that old story -- 6 MR. KING: Or we can do it for ourselves for 7 82,000, basically. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Basically. 9 MR. WOOD: Why don't we get a breakdown from them 10 on what kind of engineering they do so we would know if we 11 did it ourselves, what we'd be doing without. 12 MR. McKENZIE: But if we did it ourselves, though, 13 that's where we're gambling. If we do it ourselves, then 14 we're going to be drawing funds that we may need out of our 15 RAMP grant. 16 MR. KING: What about this 82,5? Where do you 17 think it's coming from? 18 MR. McKENZIE: From us. We're going to be paying 19 that anyway. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Same thing. 21 MR. KING: We're drawing 82,5 out of this pocket, 22 or we're going to draw 82,5 out of this pocket. So, 23 basically, what it comes down to is, are we going to pay -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: We can't pay our 82,5 out of that 25 RAMP. If we do it through them, that has to come out of our 22 1 reserves. 2 MR. KING: Right. 3 MR. McKENZIE: It has to come out of our reserves. 4 It won't come out of the RAMP, so we're circling back to, "Is 5 it a sure thing?" If somebody -- if we need something, or if 6 these folks need something, or do we gamble on it and say, 7 "No, we'll just do it ourselves"? 8 MR. LIVERMORE: What if we went to our owners with 9 a plan? Let's just say it's $80,000, or 90, whatever -- 10 choose 80. And say, "Could we get 40 each for this?" And 11 then we would still have the RAMP in place, and we'd have the 12 90/10 money in place for maybe a future hangar project, like 13 T-hangars or something. 14 MR. McKENZIE: That will be in our C.I.P., our 15 five-year C.I.P. I'm putting that in there. 16 MAYOR PRATT: Ed, we talked -- at the strategic 17 planning meeting last week, we talked about the 12 new 18 T-hangars, but you're not looking at the T-hangars until 19 2017, okay? So -- 20 MR. LIVERMORE: But if we do this RAMP money, this 21 -- I mean this 90/10 money for this project, then that's off 22 into the future. 23 MAYOR PRATT: It's still 2017. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: If you do this, it's 2017. You could 25 probably move up the hangars a year if you don't do this. 23 1 MR. McKENZIE: Maybe. 2 MR. GRIFFIN: Maybe. 3 MAYOR PRATT: Yeah. I -- I'll just give you my 4 input. If it's going to cost us $80,000 either way you go, 5 I'd rather see you do it in-house rather than go outside. I 6 mean, it's the same for the owners. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Exactly. 8 MR. KING: I agree 100 percent. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: And then you've still got your 10 90/10 out there. 11 MAYOR PRATT: Because we're talking about expenses 12 here. And when you're having to delay that revenue, which is 13 your -- your T-hangars, your new T-hangars, you're delaying 14 revenues for 12 months or longer. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 16 MAYOR PRATT: Well, which is more important? 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Heavy on the "longer." 18 MAYOR PRATT: Yeah. And so I'd rather -- I'd 19 rather see you go in-house. But I'm also with Corey; I'd 20 like to see you go back to them and say, "Okay, what do we 21 get for our engineering? Why is this? We already have 22 da-da-da-da-da; is that sufficient?" 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. KING: Tell you what -- 25 MR. LIVERMORE: It's the same money out of our 24 1 pocket. I mean, to me, you keep that 90/10 in place for 2 something else. 3 MR. WALTERS: Let me ask you, Bruce, while we're 4 talking about this, and while you're going to TexDOT and 5 looking at the engineering, can we go ahead and get some bids 6 to do this work so we know, you know, okay, if we did it 7 in-house, -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 9 MR. WALTERS: -- what it's going to cost us? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 11 MR. KING: Yeah, so we're not -- 12 MR. WALTERS: Surprised. 13 MR. KING: -- surprised. I think that's a good 14 idea. I'm just amazed that an organization who never has any 15 money, they complain about -- a lot of money; they complain 16 about never having any money because they have to get all 17 that money from the federal government, is -- is blatantly 18 the most wasteful organization I've seen. I don't 19 understand. I think my State Representative should probably 20 look into this, because I just -- that's crazy that they 21 would spend $825,000 of the taxpayers' money to do a job that 22 costs $80,000. Wouldn't you spend 80,000 and take the other 23 805,000 and spend it on another project somewhere? I just -- 24 it just seems crazy to me. 25 MAYOR PRATT: I've got a question related to that, 25 1 Steve. What if Bruce got the estimate, and then you take 2 that to TexDOT and say, "Can do you this?" 3 MR. KING: I know. I just -- 4 MAYOR PRATT: You know, take it to TexDOT and say, 5 "Hey, guys, here it is." 6 MR. KING: What are we missing? What are we 7 missing here? 8 MR. McKENZIE: I queried them on that very thing. 9 I've already run the traps on that. 10 MAYOR PRATT: What did they say? 11 MR. McKENZIE: And they said, "We're taking federal 12 money, and we have to do it by the federal design standards." 13 MR. WALTERS: I understand that. 14 MR. McKENZIE: The second you take their money, you 15 have to go by the -- 16 MR. KING: Why don't we have to do it by federal 17 design standards? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Because we're doing it in-house. 19 MR. KING: We're working on a federal -- something 20 that requires -- 21 MR. McKENZIE: But it's not part of the block grant 22 money that comes out of Washington. 23 MAYOR PRATT: I can answer that part on the federal 24 side. Part -- most of their money is designed to create 25 jobs. 26 1 MR. KING: It is. 2 MAYOR PRATT: Okay. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Somebody's making a lot of money 4 out of this. 5 MR. KING: I don't know how many jobs it's 6 creating, but thanks for -- 7 MR. WOOD: I like to use the free enterprise system 8 so long as they don't come in behind us and tell us we didn't 9 follow X-Y-Z rules or whatever. 10 MR. KING: I think Corey has a great idea, and the 11 mayor too. Let's get an estimate, and then let's just take 12 the estimate to them and figure out where we're going wrong 13 here, be sure we're not messing up. You know, explain if we 14 can do this for 80, what's wrong? I don't -- 15 MR. McKENZIE: I've asked them that question, and 16 that was the answer. 17 MR. KING: Is it because -- 18 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 19 MR. KING: -- of block grants? 20 MR. McKENZIE: And here's something else to bear in 21 mind. If we do it in-house, we can't do it till after 1 22 October. If we spend $50,000 at Mooney on materials, then 23 that just leaves us -- what, Carole? -- $25,000 or $30,000 to 24 spend on the taxiways and runways. 25 MR. KING: Right. 27 1 MR. McKENZIE: And we don't have it next year, so 2 we're still sitting here with our runway not fixed. 3 MR. KING: We can talk to our owners. We can 4 visit -- 5 MR. McKENZIE: Just so the board knows. 6 MR. KING: We can talk about our reserves or 7 something. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: I understand that this project here 9 is to be designed in '17, and probably done in '18, but if 10 we -- if we went our own route inside, I'm confused about 11 something the mayor or somebody said. If we then went for a 12 new T-hangar program -- project, we would be doing that in 13 the same time period if we were doing this in-house, wouldn't 14 we? 15 MR. McKENZIE: We would be doing the T-hangars more 16 or less in the same time frame, yes. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 18 MR. McKENZIE: It wouldn't be exactly parallel, but 19 yes. 20 MAYOR PRATT: What are you talking about, the same 21 budget year? 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. But -- within a year, yeah. 23 But -- well, I like what we're talking about here, because 24 I'd like to see if we can -- if it's the same -- roughly the 25 same money out-of-pocket, I'd rather go to the owners and ask 28 1 them for, you know, the two pieces, and let's do it. And -- 2 and then we can still do a T-hangar project or something like 3 that. 4 MR. WALTERS: Bruce, and if we do it privately, I 5 mean, aren't we -- aren't we, at the end of the day, getting 6 these repairs done a lot quicker? 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, that's a good point. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Absolutely. 9 MR. WALTERS: I mean -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: Absolutely. We can pull the trigger 11 on it. 12 MR. KING: We're not letting our runway sit here 13 for two years. 14 MR. WALTERS: Exactly. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: That's the point. We haven't -- 16 what is the time frame? 17 MR. McKENZIE: I would have to wait till October, 18 which is just a couple months away. 19 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. I mean, if we're looking at a 20 couple months compared to a couple years -- 21 MR. KING: And the degradation of the runway in two 22 years, I mean, it's not getting any better. 23 MAYOR PRATT: Well, the longer it goes in bad 24 shape, the worse it gets, the more cost it will be. 25 MR. McKENZIE: I concur, you're right. I just want 29 1 y'all to see everything. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: I see what you were doing, and your 3 thinking was good. It's just that maybe there's another 4 source for the money. 5 MR. WALTERS: Well, and it's just like what we 6 talked about from the beginning. I understand the rules and 7 parameters that we have to go by and play by with federal 8 money. But, you know, it's the same dollars out of our 9 pocket; it seems like we'd be better off going it alone, 10 taking it in-house. 11 MR. McKENZIE: And it might be a little bit more 12 than what I said. It may end up being $120,000, but it's -- 13 MR. KING: Well, let's get some numbers for that. 14 MR. WOOD: Get a firm handle on it, what it will 15 cost us. 16 MR. KING: I wouldn't get the same guys that are 17 going to bid on this. (Laughter.) 18 MR. McKENZIE: No. So, my direction is to just get 19 two or three estimates? 20 MR. WALTERS: Yes. 21 MR. McKENZIE: And then still -- we need to have 22 a -- do I continue on with my project implementation meeting 23 this month with TexDOT? 24 MR. GRIFFIN: I would go ahead and do that. I'd 25 run those parallel till the next board meeting. 30 1 MR. WOOD: You can use that meeting to ask for the 2 breakdown of engineering. 3 MR. McKENZIE: I keep running parallel like we're 4 going to do this? 5 MR. WALTERS: I want to -- I don't want to cry wolf 6 with TexDOT. I mean, you should let them know what -- that 7 we're considering doing this in-house. But, you know, I 8 mean -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: So they're not surprised. 10 MR. WALTERS: Exactly. 11 MAYOR PRATT: We don't want to create a bad 12 relationship. 13 MR. McKENZIE: That's my -- I've got a real good 14 rapport with those folks. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: He does have a meeting with TexDOT 16 between now and August. 17 MR. WALTERS: Right, I understand that. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Go ahead and have that meeting. Get 19 the bids in, and in our August board meeting, we can decide 20 which tack to take at that point. 21 MR. KING: I don't think they care whether we do it 22 in-house. 23 MR. McKENZIE: They don't. I've done it before, 24 twice. 25 MR. KING: That's 825,000 they're going to take 31 1 somewhere else and do something else with. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Maybe you should say -- and you're 3 the judge of whether to say this or not, but possibly just 4 say we're thinking about doing it in-house or using the grant 5 money -- or the -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: 90/10 money. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: -- 90/10 money for another hangar 8 project, just so they won't be -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: I've already talked to -- 10 MR. LIVERMORE: I think they kind of know our 11 thinking. 12 MR. McKENZIE: I've told them that's the next step. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. So they're not surprised, 14 then. 15 MR. KING: That's a good idea. And you can tell 16 them our airport construction company could do this for 17 probably three or four for them, whatever they'd like. We'll 18 form a new company. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: I mean, golly. Okay, that's a good 20 -- I think it's a great idea. All right. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Good discussion. 22 MR. KING: What? 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Good discussion. 24 MR. KING: Item 4C -- 4D, the Mooney fence, 25 possible relocation. 32 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Do we need to move this till after 2 we -- 3 MR. McKENZIE: It's going to be tied to 4E as well. 4 And I assume everyone in the room -- 5 MR. KING: We can open both up at the same time. 6 MR. McKENZIE: -- knows which ones we're talking 7 about. It parallels the existing parking lot over at Mooney. 8 To move that, Steve asked me last month to pull that 9 automatic fence out of there. That dropped it about four 10 grand, so now we're down to about $11,000. 11 MR. KING: And who bid on that? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Secor. 13 MR. KING: But there's two guys that will do this. 14 Do you know the other guy? 15 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, I don't. 16 MR. KING: Let me call Frank Williams just out 17 here; he just had about 200 feet of his chain link taken out 18 by an accident, and he's got two bids from -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 20 MR. KING: One from Secor and another one that does 21 this same stuff. I'll ask him about that. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 23 MR. KING: Maybe we can get two bids on that -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 25 MR. KING: -- and see. Okay. 33 1 MR. McKENZIE: But we can talk about that -- or I 2 can move to 4E if you -- 3 MR. KING: No, we'll open up 4E also, 'cause 4 they're pretty much related to the same thing, use of 5 Buildings 18 and 19. 6 MR. McKENZIE: We had a special board meeting a 7 couple of weeks ago because we had one gentleman, a 8 prospective tenant, that wanted to lease Building 19, which 9 is the paint hangar. We made several decisions at that 10 meeting. One of the -- several decisions were to have the 11 City fire marshal and the building inspector come out, and 12 I've met with all those folks. Two from the fire marshal's 13 office; they were very helpful, and then the gentleman 14 from -- the chief building inspector met me out there one day 15 as well. They were all out at the same time. The building 16 inspector said they didn't think there would be a problem 17 using Building 19 as a maintenance facility for aircraft, but 18 he said, "I need to go back and do some research, and I will 19 write you a report and get back to you." Well, to-date, and 20 it's just been a week and a half, I haven't got the report 21 yet. So -- and the fire marshal as well on Building 19 said 22 that he would write a report, but the fire marshal did say, 23 "You need to bring this building up to the electrical code," 24 so it would pass the City of Kerrville's code, the National 25 Electrical Code. "You've got to bring it up to code." I've 34 1 had an electrical contractor last Thursday out here; he spent 2 two and a half hours over there, Guadalupe Electric. He 3 didn't give me -- I've got a number, but it was a real quick 4 number he gave me Friday about 5 o'clock. It will be a 5 couple weeks before he can give me an itemized list, but 6 according to John, it'll total about $28,000 to bring that 7 building up to electrical code. He said, "I'll just have to 8 get you the hard numbers," but he said it's a long, involved 9 process. It's going to -- going to build a new -- whole new 10 service into that building. 11 MR. KING: Right. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: What's a bulldozer cost to push it 13 over? 14 MR. McKENZIE: Not that much. That's the long and 15 the short of it. The fire marshals have said, "You've got to 16 get it up to electrical code." So did the chief building 17 official. But they're writing reports, and I'm waiting for 18 that. I've already talked to the prospective tenant once, 19 and I told him we're waiting to get these reports and just 20 see where it goes. 21 MAYOR PRATT: And I'll also add to that, Bruce. 22 The City really can't give you -- I'll take what Bruce said, 23 but add to that. Until we see plans to see what the purpose 24 is, -- 25 MR. KING: Right. 35 1 MAYOR PRATT: -- we really can't give you anything. 2 MR. McKENZIE: And that's a great point, because at 3 the meeting -- Corey ran the meeting the other day, and he 4 told them that very thing. And then there was some pushback 5 about, "Why should we do that until you guys tell us if 6 you're going to lease us the building?" Corey handled it 7 well. He put the onus on them, and then they kind of... 8 MAYOR PRATT: Yeah, 'cause you're asking the City 9 to commit. We can't commit until we see a plan and see what 10 the purpose is. 11 MR. KING: Okay. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, what do we tell these 13 proposed tenants? 14 MR. McKENZIE: I'm waiting for the reports to come 15 back, and I'll get with them. And that was the direction I 16 got from Corey at the last meeting. Get all that data and go 17 back to the prospective tenant, sit down with him, explain it 18 to him and see what he wants to do. That's my plan. 19 MR. WOOD: And aren't we also waiting for some 20 information back from Dave? 21 MR. McKENZIE: Well, they just -- our next move was 22 to see what it's going to take on our end, and then hand it 23 to him. 24 MR. WOOD: All right. 25 MR. WALTERS: Hand it to him, and then they would 36 1 take the next step if they were going to move forward, and 2 then provide us the information that you're talking about. 3 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. That's what Corey told 4 them at the last meeting. 5 MR. WOOD: Great. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: What does it cost us, in other 7 words, to provide a rentable building, basically. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. We don't have that kind of 9 disposable income. 10 MR. KING: So, what -- and he looked at -- he 11 looked at Hangar -- 12 MR. McKENZIE: 18 is -- is the one the fire marshal 13 looked at. That's out of the question, because it has a 14 common wall. 15 MR. KING: Right. 16 MR. McKENZIE: All those walls are common. Some of 17 them are rotting. They just -- we looked at the buildings; 18 they did it as a courtesy. Those guys looked over the whole 19 thing. But he just -- Chris said, "This is not going to work 20 unless you tear down Building 18." He said if you raze 21 Building 18 -- 22 MR. KING: Which one is 18? 23 MR. McKENZIE: The first engineering building that 24 Mooney used to have over there, the one that's full of mold. 25 MS. DUNGAN: That's 17. 37 1 MR. McKENZIE: Sorry, 17. 18 is the U-shaped 2 building. Get rid of 17. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: 19 is the paint building. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 5 MR. KING: If you get rid of 17 -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: That will help. But you still -- 7 those wings in that U-shaped building, they have a common 8 wall too. That -- and then it's a common wall between the 9 stress relief building; where that stress relief is, that's 10 going to have to have a fire wall built in it. 11 MR. KING: But -- and I talked to you about this, 12 Bruce, 'cause I -- I don't like someone just telling us that 13 can't be done, 'cause that's a fairly large complex we have 14 over there. If one guy is just looking at it and saying, 15 "You can't use it," I think that's not -- not responsible for 16 us to take that at 100 percent face value, because the reason 17 -- the reason the fire wall would have to be there is 'cause 18 we have two tenants. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. 20 MR. KING: There's multiple tenants in that 21 building. Mooney is leaving -- is staying -- is using the 22 back side of the building, and we would have -- we would have 23 interest in putting a tenant in the front of the building. 24 MR. McKENZIE: You bet. 25 MR. KING: And I can understand that taking the 38 1 wings down -- if we took the wings down, obviously, you and I 2 have discussed taking down the horseshoe, and then taking 3 down 17, which Mooney has talked about looking at the slab 4 over there, something like that. Then if Mooney's stress 5 relief building -- if they weren't there, that building is 6 rentable to one tenant -- to one tenant. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Correct, you bet. 8 MR. KING: I guess that comes down to -- so, 9 Barry -- 10 MR. GRIFFIN: We need to discuss 4F. 11 MR. KING: 4F. Oh, there it is right there. There 12 it is. Is that what Barry's here for? Barry, are you just 13 out here today hanging around? Or -- 14 MR. HODKIN: Everybody else is in Austin. 15 (Multiple speakers.) 16 MAYOR PRATT: He's counting the beans down here 17 rather than down there. 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: And we need to do that -- with 20 respect to Mooney, we need to do that in executive session. 21 MR. KING: Okay. So -- so we were going to talk 22 about 4F as it relates to 4 -- 23 MR. GRIFFIN: D. 24 MR. KING: And E. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: And E. 39 1 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. 2 MR. KING: And you want to do that in executive 3 session? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, please. 5 MR. KING: Okay. 6 MR. WOOD: Do you want to do 5B before we do that? 7 MR. McKENZIE: We can do the rest of it if you want 8 to. 9 MR. KING: Okay. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Good idea. 11 MR. WOOD: Well, I mean, making people hang around. 12 MR. KING: So, we'll go to information and 13 discussion, Item Number 5; go to general update, 5A. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. We just finished our fourth 15 mowing cycle. I'm sure you noticed as you drove in this 16 morning, that's now complete. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Question. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir? 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Fence lines, are they supposed to 20 weedeat, or do we do something -- 21 MR. McKENZIE: We put Roundup on those. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Looks great except the fence lines. 23 MR. McKENZIE: That's because the last four years 24 it hasn't rained. Now it's rained, and now we're playing 25 catch-up. 40 1 MR. GRIFFIN: I didn't know if that was part of the 2 mowing cycle or not. 3 MR. McKENZIE: No, we do that -- 4 MR. GRIFFIN: That's why I asked. 5 MR. McKENZIE: We spray herbicide on that, and 6 we've had an employee changeover here and we've gotten 7 behind. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 9 MAYOR PRATT: But that's done in-house. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: I didn't know if it was part of that 11 mowing cycle or not. That's why I asked. 12 MR. KING: So, how many days did it take to mow 13 this time? 14 MR. McKENZIE: It took him two extra days this time 15 because it was so thick. 16 MR. KING: So thick? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. And a lower gear. And 18 some of it, he had to mow one way and turn around, which he 19 never does, and mow back in order to get it -- get a good cut 20 on it. And he did. He was very diligent about it, so he did 21 a good job. 22 MR. KING: Okay. 23 MR. McKENZIE: It worked out well. Saturday we had 24 our meeting and briefing with the Air Force. Major Fischman 25 was here, and Lieutenant Colonel Lazar both came in Saturday 41 1 morning in a T-6. We had seven people in here for the 2 meeting. They stayed about an hour and a half and visited. 3 Once we had the meeting, they were very accommodating; they 4 answered everybody's questions and hung around for a while. 5 So -- about the new slow route SR-30 that's going to be 6 enacted. I've got pictures, maps I'd be glad to give you 7 guys. I think you know about it. It shouldn't be an issue. 8 They're going to make the radio calls promptly and 9 efficiently; they said they will. So -- 10 MR. LIVERMORE: How often do think they'll be using 11 that? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Probably two aircraft a day, and at 13 the most six to seven. 14 MR. KING: And it goes -- I was talking to Bill 15 Grebe about it. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Grebe was here. 17 MR. KING: He said it goes right over OBUCO. It -- 18 MR. McKENZIE: Goes right by -- 19 MR. KING: Crosses OBUCO between 500 and 20 1,500 feet. 21 MR. WOOD: It'd be below the -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: OBUCO's 44,000 feet -- 4,100 or 23 something. 24 MR. KING: Yeah. But he said they would make two 25 radio calls in the area on 22.7 when they're coming through, 42 1 and it will be below 250 knots. 2 MR. McKENZIE: They're actually at 250 knots. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Barely. 4 MR. KING: Barely. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: What kind of planes? 6 MR. McKENZIE: T-6 Texans. 7 MR. WOOD: My nephew's also going to be flying it. 8 They have jets. 9 MR. McKENZIE: And T-1's, which is the Hawkers. 10 MR. KING: The Hawker Beechjet is also flying. 11 MR. McKENZIE: They come out of Del Rio. 12 MAYOR PRATT: Bruce, on the general update, do you 13 want to say anything about the -- did you get an answer from 14 the Fire Chief on fire trucks out here? 15 MR. McKENZIE: I did. The Fire Chief had a fire 16 truck out here -- thank you for bringing that up. The Air 17 Force required a fire truck out here. The Chief spoke to him 18 Thursday. We had a truck out here Saturday when the aircraft 19 arrived. They left; they came back an hour later when the 20 airplane left at 12:30, and they were happy. They were 21 extremely happy with our airport, the fire support that they 22 got. Those guys said this is a great place. They were 23 pleased. 24 MR. WOOD: Maybe we can get them to start landing 25 here next so they can buy some gas. 43 1 MR. McKENZIE: Maybe. 2 MR. KING: We'd wear our fire truck out. 3 MR. McKENZIE: That's another point. 4 MR. KING: They have to have a fire truck every 5 time they start. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Those are both -- those gentlemen 7 were both very accommodating. He's been in -- they were 8 there twice in Afghanistan, and will deploy again in October. 9 These are great guys. Great service. 10 MR. KING: Good. Other updates? 11 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, that's all I've got. 12 MR. KING: Item 5B, the parking lot. 13 MR. McKENZIE: The parking lot at Mooney, we've 14 been working with all of the owners, and now we have 15 scheduled for one week from today, Monday and Tuesday, the 16 City is going to furnish a motor grader, an operator, and 17 they're going to bring millings out there, and we're going to 18 fix, as we all agreed to, the bad spots in that parking lot. 19 We're not going to spend too much money on it right now. 20 We're going to fix the bad places, improve the drainage 21 hopefully a little bit, and that's scheduled for Monday and 22 Tuesday. I've spoken with Mike Jenschke over there several 23 times. We're going to move -- they're going to move all 24 those cars next Monday and Tuesday, and around the corner, if 25 you will, next to the -- to the -- what building is that? 44 1 MR. HODKIN: The main assembly. 2 MR. McKENZIE: Main assembly. And we mowed that 3 for them Saturday at our expense. I asked Corey to mow it 4 for me, and he did with his big tractor so they can park out 5 there for a couple of days so the City can have the parking 6 lot unobscured. So, that worked out really well. And the 7 County's agreed to this; the City's going to do it. We've 8 got it lined up, so it's good. It's -- it should work well. 9 We've got it planned to work well, anyway. We're not going 10 to spend -- not going to go over it with paving yet; we're 11 going to -- 12 MR. LIVERMORE: You're just smoothing out the dirt. 13 MR. KING: And then you're going to fill in the 14 holes with filings? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. With asphalt, yes, sir. 16 MR. KING: Asphalt? 17 MR. McKENZIE: Millings. 18 MR. KING: Grindings. 19 MAYOR PRATT: Steve, you were at the City Council 20 meeting, but basically I asked City Council to approve the 21 project, but I also gave them authorization for the City 22 Manager to make a determination to hire a third-party 23 contractor, because we didn't want to disturb our guys on -- 24 on paving our streets. So, we can go either way. We can go 25 either in-house or third party, just as long as we don't 45 1 disturb the paving on the streets. 2 MR. McKENZIE: On the paving part. 3 MAYOR PRATT: And we're not going to pave, at 4 Mooney's suggestion and the City's suggestion, because if you 5 blade that down, you're down to dirt; now you got a bigger 6 problem than you had when you started. So, we're just going 7 to fill in, overlay it, and no paving. 8 MR. KING: Okay. 9 MR. McKENZIE: And Tom Bowen -- he was at our 10 meeting Wednesday. He's pleased with that. And Barry said 11 he was good to go. 12 MR. WALTERS: What's the long-term planning of 13 actually getting -- 14 MR. GRIFFIN: We're going to talk about it in 15 executive session. 16 MR. KING: Okay, cool. All right. Any other 17 updates? Anything more on the parking lot? 18 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, that's it. 19 MR. KING: Okay. All right, then we will recess 20 and then go into executive session on Item 4F. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Do you need -- 22 MR. KING: We can talk about 4E and 4F under 23 executive session, 551.072 and 551.074, under both items, and 24 then we'll come back and report back. We'll recess at 13 25 after. 46 1 (The open session was closed at 9:13 a.m., and an executive session was held off the record. 2 - - - - - - - - - - 3 JUDGE POLLARD: We went in the executive session at 4 9:14, and we're out at 10:20. And we took no action on 5 either one of those agenda items. Therefore, the -- on D, E, 6 and F -- or, excuse me, 4E and 4F. And therefore, we'll just 7 take a motion to adjourn. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: So moved. 9 MR. WALTERS: Second. 10 MR. KING: All in favor? 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 12 MR. KING: 4-0. 13 (Airport Board adjourned at 10:21 a.m.) 14 - - - - - - - - - - 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 47 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 I, Kathy Banik, official reporter for Kerr County, 4 Texas, do hereby certify that the above and foregoing is a 5 true and complete transcription of my stenotype notes taken 6 at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 23rd day of July, 2015. 8 9 _______________________________ Kathy Banik, Texas CSR # 6483 10 Expiration Date: 12/31/16 Official Court Reporter 11 Kerr County, Texas 700 Main Street 12 Kerrville, Texas 78028 Phone: 830-792-2295 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25