1 2 3 KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD 4 Regular Meeting 5 Monday, April 14, 2014 6 8:30 a.m. 7 Airport Terminal Conference Room 8 1877 Airport Loop Road 9 Kerrville, Texas 10 11 MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT: 12 Stephen King, President Corey Walters, Vice-President (via telephone) 13 Ed Livermore Bill Wood 14 Kirk Griffin 15 AIRPORT BOARD STAFF PRESENT: 16 Bruce McKenzie, Airport Manager Carole Dungan, Executive Assistant 17 18 COUNTY STAFF PRESENT: Tom Moser, Commissioner Pct. 2 19 Jonathan Letz, Commissioner Pct. 3 Jeannie Hargis, Auditor 20 James Robles, Assistant Auditor 21 CITY STAFF PRESENT: 22 Jack Pratt, Mayor Sandra Yarbrough, Finance Director 23 VISITORS: 24 Monty Hahn, HHH Services Jonas Titas, Kerrville Economic Development Corporation 25 Shawna Fahrenthold, Alamo Community Colleges Mark Mosier 2 1 I N D E X April 21, 2014 2 PAGE 3 CALLED TO ORDER 4 1. VISITORS FORUM - 5 2. KERRVILLE-KERR COUNTY JOINT AIRPORT BOARD MEMBER FORUM - 6 3. CONSENT AGENDA 7 3A Approval of March 17, 2014 Board Meeting Minutes 4 8 4. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION 4A Monthly Financials 4 9 4B Paint Hangar - Bldg. 19 10 (Executive Session as needed) 14 11 4C Alamo Community College District lease (Executive Session as needed) 32, 12 199 4D Mooney lease, Mooney roof replacement, and 13 maintenance issues (Executive Session as needed) 33 14 4E Brown Hangar lease (Executive Session as needed) 46, 15 203 4F Hangar Dance for Fly-in 52 16 4G Solar Taxiway lighting 62 17 4H New T-Hangars 75 18 4I Budget FY 2014-2015 review 84 19 5. INFORMATION AND DISCUSSION: 20 5A General Update --- 21 6. EXECUTIVE SESSION 202 22 7. ADJOURNMENT 205 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, April 21, 2014, at 8:30 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board was 3 held in the Airport Terminal Conference Room, Louis Schreiner 4 Field, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were 5 had in open session: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 MR. KING: Let's call this meeting to order of the 8 Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board, April 21st, 2014. 9 Item 1, Visitors' Forum. At this time, any person with 10 business not scheduled on the agenda may speak to the Airport 11 Board. No deliberation or action may be taken on these items 12 because the items must be posted at least 72 hours before the 13 meeting. Visitors are asked to limit their presentations to 14 three minutes. Anybody being heard? No one. Item 2, 15 Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board members forum. At 16 this time, any member of the Airport Board may speak to the 17 board or the public present on any matter not scheduled on 18 the agenda. No deliberation or formal action may be taken 19 because the Open Meetings Act requires it be posted at least 20 72 hours before the meeting. If formal action is required, 21 it's placed on the agenda for a future meeting. Anybody on 22 the board like to say anything? 23 MR. GRIFFIN: No, sir. 24 MR. KING: Item 3, consent agenda. All items 25 listed below on consent agenda are considered routine by the 4 1 board and will be enacted in one motion. There will not be 2 separate discussion on the items unless a board member or 3 citizen requests, in which event the item will be removed 4 from the general order of business and considered in its 5 normal sequence. Approval of the minutes of the April -- 6 March 17th meeting. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: So moved. 8 MR. KING: Second? 9 (Mr. Griffin raised his hand.) 10 MR. KING: Second by Kirk. The motion was made by 11 Mr. Livermore. Discussion? All in favor? 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 13 MR. KING: 4-0. Mr. Walters is not present at the 14 moment. Item 4, discussion and possible action. Monthly 15 financials. 16 MR. McKENZIE: I need to -- 17 MR. KING: We're going to teleconference Corey, and 18 Corey is somewhere. In a -- 19 MR. LIVERMORE: Everybody's somewhere. Pretty good 20 guess. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's only 'cause everybody 22 has to be somewhere. 23 MR. KING: He's in an undisclosed location. 24 (Telephone call made to Mr. Walters.) 25 (Discussion off the record.) 5 1 MR. McKENZIE: Corey, good morning. This is Bruce. 2 MR. WALTERS: (via telephone) Hey, Bruce, how are 3 you? 4 MR. McKENZIE: I'm fine, sir. How are you? We're 5 down to discussion and possible action items, 4A, so I'll 6 turn it over to Steve. 7 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 8 MR. KING: Thank you for -- Corey, for attending. 9 Let me know if you can't hear something, okay? 10 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 11 MR. KING: Monthly financials -- Item 4A, 12 discussion and possible action. Monthly financials. James 13 Robles. 14 MR. ROBLES: All right. Good morning, everyone. 15 We'll start on Page 1. This is as of March 31st. Fund 47, 16 total cash and receivables, 416,458.02. Payables at 17 95,047.50. Page 2, total revenue over expenses in fund 18 balance, 321,410.52. Total liabilities in equity, 19 416,458.02. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just for your information, the 21 pages aren't numbered, so we might -- 22 MS. DUNGAN: You're looking at the budget, sir. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, that's the budget? Sorry 24 about that. Got you. Thank you. 25 MR. ROBLES: Anybody else need a copy? Page 3, 6 1 monthly revenue, third column, 30,936.75. Page 4 -- 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Which page are you on now? 3 MR. KING: 3. 4 MR. ROBLES: Page 3. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 6 MR. ROBLES: Page 4, expenditures with salaries and 7 benefits, 15,126.43. Page 5, personnel, supplies, 8 maintenance, professional services. 9 MR. KING: Can you hold on one second, James? Go 10 back to that flowage fees. I'm still confused on flowage 11 fees, Item 47-350-601, Bruce. It says our prior year-to-date 12 was -- is that basically the same place we were last year? 13 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. The flowage fee's 14 basically been -- the last probably 18 months have been 15 pretty flat. 16 MR. KING: So -- 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Have been what? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Flat. 19 MR. KING: But when it says prior year-to-date, 20 that means this point last year? 21 MR. McKENZIE: From then till now. 22 MR. KING: Oh, then till now. What is 23 year-to-date? 24 MR. McKENZIE: It's still basically flat. We've 25 looked at the last four years last Thursday, and it's all -- 7 1 MR. KING: Why is one 15,900 and one's 9,600? 2 MR. McKENZIE: Depends on when it comes in, and the 3 flowage fee, when we get it. 4 MR. KING: Okay. All right, go ahead. I don't 5 understand that, but go ahead. Go ahead, James. 6 MR. ROBLES: We'll be on Page 6. Total 7 expenditures for month, 6,802.80. Page 7, utilities for the 8 building, 688.10. And total expenditures for all categories, 9 22,617.33. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: The good thing is, your revenue's 11 over your -- exceed your expenditures. Good. 12 MR. ROBLES: Yes. Okay, Page 8, capital account. 13 The balance of 105,677.86. Page 9, revenue, 39,375.53, 14 TexDOT reimbursement. Page 10, expenditures, 39,558 -- 15 excuse me, 585. And Page 11, year-to-date revenue over 16 expenses, 44,874.17. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Let's go back to your question, 18 Steve, and try to get some more meat on that bone a little 19 bit. You -- 20 MR. ROBLES: Page 3. 21 MR. McKENZIE: What page are you on, Ed? 3? 22 MR. LIVERMORE: 3, uh-huh. I was looking at that 23 earlier, too. Why don't you ask your question again? 24 MR. KING: Okay. Prior year-to-date, I would 25 think -- am I wrong? Is that for the same period last year? 8 1 MR. ROBLES: It's -- 2 MR. KING: The same -- 3 MR. ROBLES: -- this point last year. 4 MR. KING: Okay. And -- 5 MR. ROBLES: We collected 15 this -- 6 MR. LIVERMORE: Year. 7 MR. KING: Year-to-date would be -- 8 MR. ROBLES: Beginning of the fiscal year. 9 MR. KING: So, same months last year as the same 10 months this year. So, how can it be that -- 11 MR. GRIFFIN: $6,000 less. 12 MR. KING: So, last year we were at 15,910, and now 13 we're at 9,600. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: Now, the flowage fee or flowage 15 numbers that you sent out for the first quarter were 16 basically flat. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, that's what I'm referring 18 to. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: So that's half this period. 20 MR. McKENZIE: That's where the flowage fees are 21 cut, 'cause we pull them off of Avfuel. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: And it's just odd that it would be 23 -- what is that? 24 MS. DUNGAN: Gentlemen, we won't receive March's 25 until the middle of April, so sometimes that's not reflected 9 1 in here, even though it's the same -- saying it's the same 2 period. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Just one month. 4 MR. KING: It's always like a rolling -- 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, but did you receive it last 6 year in April? Which wouldn't in be in last year's figure. 7 We need to know if we're comparing apples to apples. 8 MR. KING: What month are we in right now? 9 MS. HARGIS: We're going to get it for you; just a 10 second. 11 MR. KING: What month of the budget are we on? 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Six months. 13 MS. DUNGAN: Six months. 14 MR. KING: So, half the budget. And so half the 15 budget is $17,500, and we've got 9,600. What I'm getting at, 16 seems like there's -- it's not just one month. It seems like 17 there's 40 percent below last year. I just want to 18 understand that. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: Yet the flowage fee that you showed 20 us -- wasn't it a three-month period? 21 MR. McKENZIE: Last year, yes, sir. I sent it out 22 last week. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: That was -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: Basically stable. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: -- pretty flat. 10 1 MR. KING: So, if it's flat, you think we'd be at 2 15,910. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Not $6,000 off. 4 MR. KING: Yeah. 5 MR. McKENZIE: We'll look into it, Steve. 6 MR. KING: Look into that. That seems like -- 7 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 8 MR. KING: I haven't seen it get right yet. Okay. 9 Go ahead, James. I'm sorry. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: I think he may be done. 11 MR. KING: James is done. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Are you done? 13 MR. ROBLES: Unless you have any further questions. 14 MR. KING: Any questions? 15 MR. LIVERMORE: I do think we ought to pursue that. 16 MR. McKENZIE: We'll find out. 17 MR. KING: Why don't you just do a printout month 18 by month? How would that be? 19 MR. ROBLES: We're going to get you one. 20 MR. KING: Monthly printout from last year, and 21 monthly printout from this year, and that will tell us 22 exactly where where the culprit is. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 24 MR. KING: Okay. 25 MR. McKENZIE: You have that? 11 1 MR. KING: No questions. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: How are those numbers derived? Who 3 determines those numbers, Bruce? You? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Avfuel; we take it off the invoices. 5 We take it off what they've delivered in tanks, and then we 6 also have a number of what we've pumped out. We put what the 7 F.B.O. has pumped. That's what we get the 9 cents a gallon 8 on. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: So, do we send the FBO the bill? 10 Or do they simply tell us -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: Avfuel does that for us. They send 12 that to us. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: That's a company, Avfuel? 14 MR. McKENZIE: Supplier, yes, sir. His jobber, 15 that's correct. 16 MR. KING: Do they pay us? 17 MR. McKENZIE: They send us a check, yes, sir. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Avfuel does, not the FBO? 19 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir, Avfuel does. It 20 circumvents the FBO. 21 MR. WOOD: So, either the fuel flow is way down or 22 they're late on their payments, one of those. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. 24 MAYOR PRATT: Bruce, do you still do the graph that 25 I asked you? 12 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. It was in last week's -- 2 I sent it to you. 3 MAYOR PRATT: Okay, I haven't seen it yet. There's 4 a graph of that fuel flow to give you a better picture of it. 5 MR. KING: Thank you, Mayor. 6 MR. McKENZIE: I sent it out Thursday. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: If you're -- if it's paid by 8 Avfuel, and they go from whenever they have a tanker full and 9 pull in here, basically -- is that right? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: If they deliver 10,000 gallons, we 12 get a 10,000-gallon flowage fee? 13 MR. McKENZIE: Flowage fee. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: Nine cents or whatever? 15 MR. KENNEDY: Nine cents a gallon. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Maybe it's some weird thing about, 17 you know, they bought fuel earlier, last tank -- tank car of 18 fuel last year; they didn't get it this year. There's 19 Jeannie. She's got an answer. 20 MS. HARGIS: Well, after looking at it, this same 21 thing happened last year. They didn't pay us for December, 22 so we got a month missing in there. So, let me get with Joy, 23 because that's what they did last year. We just caught it 24 before we -- last year before y'all saw it, but he missed 25 December. 13 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Who is "he"? 2 MS. HARGIS: Joey. So, we have to get in touch 3 with him; he owes us for December. 4 MR. McKENZIE: But Avfuel sends us the check, not 5 the FBO. 6 MS. HARGIS: Okay. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Avfuel sends it to us. 8 MS. HARGIS: Okay. They're missing December. 9 MR. KING: We'll sort that out with those guys. 10 MS. HARGIS: The same thing happened last year. 11 MR. KING: I know I pay those guys every month. If 12 I'm a day late, they send a guy down to beat me up, almost. 13 (Laughter.) Okay. Move to approve -- motion to approve? 14 MR. LIVERMORE: I move that we approve. 15 MR. WOOD: I second. 16 MR. KING: Seconded by Mr. Wood. Motion made by 17 Mr. Livermore. All -- discussion? All in favor? 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 19 MR. KING: Four-zero. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Bruce, can you send out a memo on 21 what your findings are before the next meeting? 22 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: And then let's just schedule an 24 item on the next meeting in case we need to discuss it again. 25 MR. KING: Corey, are you still there? 14 1 MR. WALTERS: Yes, I am. 2 MR. KING: Okay. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Laying behind the weeds. 4 MR. KING: Okay. Item -- 5 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. And I don't -- I don't know if 6 you're asking for my vote, but I'm -- I would abstain, just 7 because I couldn't hear all of what y'all said. 8 MR. KING: Okay. Okay. So, that was four -- three 9 and one abstaining. Thanks, Corey. Why don't you move that 10 phone down a little bit? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: I was trying to get it. 12 MR. McKENZIE: You can pull it down more, Kirk. 13 MR. KING: Okay. Item 4B; paint hangar, Building 14 19. What are we going to do there? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Mr. Hahn is here, and he's going to 16 address the -- the board about what his plans are, what he 17 would like to do with that building, Building 19. 18 MR. KING: Mr. Hahn, thank you very much. 19 MR. HAHN: Thank y'all for seeing me. We're 20 thinking about doing a little fab shop. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: A little what? 22 MR. HAHN: Welding shop, fab shop. Build some 23 small vessels for primarily the oil field industry, and we're 24 looking for a location. We've been looking in different 25 areas, south of San Antonio and here, and I was talking to 15 1 Mayor Pratt, and he suggested this. And I came over here, 2 and Bruce was kind enough to take us around. I think Steve 3 had showed my son, so we looked two or three times at the 4 building. And it probably isn't exactly what we want, but 5 there isn't one exactly like we want. And y'all probably 6 aren't exactly who -- we probably aren't exactly who you guys 7 want, but I think it could work if we all could make a deal. 8 And so that's what I had in mind. I think I explained it to 9 Bruce a little bit. We would have some things that may not 10 fit y'all, and I wanted to be straight up-front about it. I 11 would have to use a crane, a cherry picker-type crane. Not a 12 crane like you see in industry, but a crane just like what is 13 up on the other side of Fox Tank there would be a good -- 14 pretty good example of what we would have out there. You can 15 see that boom stick in the air. It wouldn't be waving in the 16 air 24 hours a day, but we'll -- it may may be not much at 17 all, but every now and then, we load out a big vessel, 18 2,200-, 3,000-pound vessel. Can't handle it with a forklift; 19 you got to have a cherry picker to pick it up. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Are these competitive vessels to 21 Fox Tank? Are they the same size, or are they smaller or 22 bigger, or -- 23 MR. HAHN: Those are different things. The tanks 24 you see there are tanks -- stock tanks, water tanks, 25 whatever. We do not intend to build those. 16 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Those over there aren't stock 2 tanks. 3 MR. KING: They're oil tanks. 4 MR. HAHN: They call them stock tanks. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. I'm -- 6 MR. WOOD: He's building vessels, which is a 7 smaller process. 8 MR. HAHN: The vessels -- they were moving some 9 around when I came by this morning, but you can't see them 10 from here. They're 6 foot in diameter by 20 foot tall, but 11 as they're being laid over there, they would be laid -- they 12 wouldn't be sticking up 20 foot like this; they'd be laid the 13 6-foot way on blocks or something. They may be 7, 8 foot 14 tall. Oh, I guess they could have a -- gas-buster on top -- 15 and I don't mean to use language like that, but it was just 16 another little deal. Ten foot tall is probably the tallest 17 normal vessel we would have out there as it's laid. And, you 18 know, if we were loading it, moving it, hydro-testing it, 19 doing some things like that, but -- and we would have to 20 store some things outside, some of the raw products, but it's 21 not like what you see over there. So -- and we are 22 complementary. I've bought a lot of product from Nathan and 23 Andrew Fox, and -- over the last couple years, and sold -- 24 and we're hoping that we can continue to work together on 25 some of that, as far as I build a product; they build a 17 1 product. We can sell a package, so forth and so on. So, I 2 have a good relationship, or I think I do. I think Nathan 3 would tell you the same. 4 MR. WOOD: So, would this create some jobs for 5 welders here in Kerrville? 6 MR. HAHN: Yes. I think we'd have to hire, like, 7 eight or ten to get started to make it -- not necessarily all 8 welders, but eight or ten employees to get going. And I hate 9 to spout off as to what it would be, but I don't think 25 or 10 30 in a year's time would be -- I mean, I'm hoping we can get 11 there. We may not; we may get 10, 20, 25 or 30. But -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've got a question on 13 feasibility. Airport property is restricted to airport -- 14 aircraft-type operations, so is this even feasible? 15 MR. KING: It is. We've looked -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me ask two questions. 17 Number one, is it feasible? And number two, is it possible, 18 if this were be to pursued, Monty's proposal, to redefine 19 part of that property over at Mooney that we're getting ready 20 to acquire and say that that's not airport operations? Since 21 it's going to become part of the City/County property, that 22 it's designated as other than aircraft -- designated "other 23 than aircraft" type operations? 24 MR. KING: We've checked with TexDOT; is that 25 correct? 18 1 MR. McKENZIE: Well, yeah. 2 MR. KING: We've checked with TexDOT, and they've 3 relaxed the rules on this a lot. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, have they? Okay. 5 MR. KING: Because they were going to end up with a 6 lot of airports with -- if they require strictly aviation 7 use, -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 9 MR. KING: -- the aviation business is not -- not 10 the most prolific industry in the world, so they've been a 11 little more lenient. 12 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. 13 MAYOR PRATT: Hondo's a good example. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Commissioner, what -- the crux of it 15 is the F.A.A. wants airports to make money. That's what it 16 boils down to. So, consequently, what Steve says, they've 17 kind of laid back on, you know -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, my question number one, 19 "Is it feasible?" What you're saying is yes, it's feasible. 20 Great. 21 MR. McKENZIE: The answer to your second question 22 about the -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second question goes away if 24 the first one's feasible. 25 MR. McKENZIE: Well, then partly it does, but Ilse 19 1 had a question about changing our minimum standards. But our 2 ALP says that that is for aviation use, and that's in our 3 master plan. And a master plan is a plan, and the board 4 can -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Change it. 6 MR. McKENZIE: We can change that if we need to, 7 like the mayor was talking about a while ago. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, super. Great. 9 MR. KING: Yeah. Before, when Monty came to us the 10 first -- in the first place, we kind of -- we discussed that 11 to see if that -- but the F.A.A. is a lot more lenient on 12 this now, because they want the airport used for something, 13 and aviation use was not -- may not be the easiest thing to 14 find. Yes, Mr. Livermore? 15 MR. LIVERMORE: What about that close to the 16 runway? And I realize there's a building there now. 17 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: But what about other things being 19 stored outside and the cherry picker up in the air? 20 MR. KING: When I went around with Monty's son, we 21 pretty much agreed that -- and Zack showed me everything 22 would be behind it anyway. 23 MR. HAHN: That's correct. 24 MR. KING: He can use the land behind. 25 MR. HAHN: For storing things. 20 1 MR. KING: For storing things, yeah. 2 MR. HAHN: I think the -- as Bruce and I and Zach 3 and Steve viewed, we would come in from -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: Peterson Farm Road. 5 MR. HAHN: -- Peterson Farm Road and put a gate 6 there, but there's no real entrance road. It would have to 7 have a road come in that way. And our joint review -- it's 8 an ASME code shop, and that site is mechanical engineers, and 9 they -- our joint review is May the 28th. So, on May 29th, 10 we can start building vessels, so I'm looking for something, 11 you know, just like all us oil field guys, ASAP. Here we go, 12 you know. And so if we could do something that would be 13 expedient and we can own -- and that's the whole purpose of 14 finding a building that's already standing. I'm meeting with 15 some building guys at 10:00 to talk about building myself a 16 building if I have to go to another piece of property or 17 whatever. We're dead on go, very serious about the deal. We 18 are going to do something. It's just a matter of where and 19 how. 20 MR. WOOD: Monty, as far as time goes, when you 21 change that use of one of these buildings, -- 22 MR. HAHN: Yes, sir. 23 MR. WOOD: -- which we'd be doing, you have to have 24 everything that you're planning to do lined out so that the 25 inspectors can see what that is. 21 1 MR. LIVERMORE: City inspectors. 2 MR. WOOD: Well, whoever the entity is, so they can 3 look at it, make sure that none of the codes are violated or 4 any of that stuff. 5 MR. HAHN: Yes, sir. 6 MR. WOOD: That's the time-consuming part right 7 there. 8 MR. HAHN: Yes, sir. 9 MR. KING: On that note, Monty, I don't -- we 10 haven't talked to building code guys yet, but this may not be 11 a change of use. That's a manufacturing -- that building is 12 built for manufacturing. 13 MAYOR PRATT: It is built for manufacturing, and 14 it's not a big change. 15 MR. KING: Yeah, it's not. What I understood from 16 the code guys when we were talking about them -- about the 17 Brinkman hangar, if you're going down or sideways, they don't 18 really have a problem. In fact, we actually -- while we were 19 out there, we used that Hangar 18 as an example. I asked 20 him -- I said, "What if we moved a mechanics shop or 21 something over there?" And he said, you know, that's a 22 manufacturing hangar, and to go down, there's no change -- 23 there's no problem. You can move. He said, "I can give you 24 a..." 25 MAYOR PRATT: C.O. 22 1 MR. KING: "A C.O. today. I can get you one of 2 those today if you give me the paperwork." So, I don't think 3 it's going to be a problem, because it already is 4 manufacturing. The whole facility is manufacturing. I 5 think, hopefully -- we need to run that by him, I'm sure. 6 MR. WOOD: I only brought that up to make Monty 7 aware that could be a problem. 8 MR. HAHN: We have -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: We talked about it. 10 MR. HAHN: Bruce and I have talked, and I think 11 Steve and Zach had talked about it as well, and I already -- 12 and Corey and I have visited about that. And there's -- you 13 know, I don't know what y'all have to do, if y'all have to 14 advertise it, or what you guys have to do, and stuff like 15 that. So, I just come present my case, and thank y'all for 16 hearing me. And I don't know what else I could tell you. If 17 y'all have any questions, I'd be happy to tell you. But -- 18 MR. KING: Do you -- what kind of -- as far as 19 welders, I know Zach and I talked about it. What type of 20 welders? Will these guys have to be certified? 21 MR. HAHN: Yeah, they have to be code; it's not 22 just your -- 23 MR. KING: Not a regular certification; they have 24 to be code welders also? 25 MR. HAHN: Well, there's no real code in a welder. 23 1 MR. KING: Yeah. 2 MR. HAHN: They have to be able to pass X-ray. 3 MR. KING: Right. 4 MR. HAHN: And they have to be -- I mean, it's not 5 just some guy that sticks it in a socket and slings it on 6 there. This guy's got to put it in there pretty good; it's 7 got to pass X-ray. And -- and in different companies, if 8 you're working for Shell or somebody, they may make you even 9 use a sonogram. They got to really be laid in there right, 10 and so it's not just your -- 11 MR. KING: Use a mig? 12 MR. HAHN: There will be -- yeah, we'll use -- 13 MR. KING: Wire feed? 14 MR. HAHN: Wire feed, stick, and then maybe even 15 some sub-wire. But it would -- there will be some, you know, 16 labor work. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is there enough power there? 18 MR. HAHN: Yes, they have -- they got some major 19 power out there. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 21 MR. KING: We looked at that. There's already 22 three-phase electricity. 23 MR. HAHN: Now, where I think there could be an 24 issue with the City or whoever is when you start redoing the 25 power. 24 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 2 MR. HAHN: And so there's where -- you know, I've 3 done -- built spec houses in the city before, and some other 4 things, and for one, it was a trying event. 5 MAYOR PRATT: My first impression, Steve, the only 6 thing you really have to worry about out there would be maybe 7 the restrooms and ADA compliance. That's it. 8 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. What about -- are you going to 9 be -- do you think you'll be -- wage-wise, you'll be 10 competing with Nathan as far as the -- 11 MR. HAHN: I think we'll be comparable with Nathan. 12 MR. KING: Comparable with what Nathan's got over 13 there? 14 MR. HAHN: Yes. 15 MR. KING: Okay. 16 MR. WOOD: Have you got room for employee parking 17 and all the other stuff that goes with it? 18 MR. HAHN: Bruce and I talked about it. There's 19 kind of a natural drainage-looking area that runs probably 20 100 yards, maybe. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Or more, yeah. 22 MR. HAHN: And it's just kind of a natural little 23 fit, which still leaves quite a bit -- where's that building? 24 Right there? 25 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 25 1 MR. HAHN: Back on this back fence like this if you 2 wanted to enter from the -- where it T's into Peterson Road. 3 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 4 MR. HAHN: So -- 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Monty, do you intend to improve the 6 entrance in there to some kind of a black -- blacktop, or -- 7 MR. HAHN: I don't know about black-topping your -- 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, gravel or something? 9 MR. HAHN: Yeah, we'd have to do something. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: I know it never rains here, but if 11 it ever does -- 12 MR. HAHN: Yes, sir. And there's also a 13 significant drainage way that would require some sort of 14 culverts or something put in there to get from Peterson 15 across there. I say "significant." I mean, you couldn't -- 16 I guess you could do a low water thing, no more than it's 17 going to run. But you'd have to do a culvert or some 18 low-water crossing, maybe a cement deal in there, because we 19 would have to get in there. Doesn't matter if it's raining, 20 not raining or whatever; we got to load it or unload it 21 whenever it comes in there, so -- 22 MR. WOOD: You'd have big trucks coming in? 23 MR. HAHN: We'd have 18-wheeler trucks coming in 24 and out of there. 25 MR. KING: I can't -- I remember I read your 26 1 proposal. Are you proposing for us to help you with that 2 road coming in there? Or -- 3 MR. HAHN: I didn't propose that. I didn't know 4 how far we was going to get. I didn't know if y'all was 5 going to send me out before I finished, or if we were -- 6 where we were going with all this, so I just thought we'd all 7 sit and y'all could ask me questions; I'll ask you guys 8 questions. I'll take whatever I get, Steve. 9 MR. KING: Sure, I understand. Well, I just -- 10 MR. HAHN: If you want to cement the whole thing, 11 I'm all for it. 12 MR. KING: I'll discuss that -- we can discuss that 13 with the City and the County. 14 MR. HAHN: I hope y'all get that other nine now or 15 whatever. (Laughter.) 16 MR. KING: We're pretty good with roads. That's 17 one of our -- 18 MR. HAHN: You have a mountain of caliche over 19 there. 20 MR. KING: Seems like the only thing we do good out 21 here is make roads. Roads and paths. Okay, any other 22 questions? How about you, Corey? 23 MR. WALTERS: No, that's the only thing I had on my 24 notes when I was looking at his letter, which was the 25 responsibility of the road. 27 1 MR. KING: Okay. Have you had a contractor -- 2 MR. WALTERS: I think we need to, you know, 3 probably talk about it, you know, in executive session 4 probably before some of the terms -- 5 MR. KING: Sure, yeah. I think we'll do that in 6 executive session, Corey. What about -- have you had a 7 contractor look at the building? 8 MR. HAHN: I have not. 9 MR. KING: You haven't had anybody out to look at 10 it? 11 MR. HAHN: I have not. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: You've been in that building? 13 MR. HAHN: I have been in the building, but I have 14 not -- 15 MR. LIVERMORE: You know it's not the Taj Mahal. 16 MR. HAHN: Oh, no, it's far from that. And I would 17 have to -- you know, it's built to handle planes. I'd 18 probably leave one painting, because it's -- the structure's 19 there, and then take the other partition out where it would 20 be more of an open -- 21 MR. KING: Open metal building. 22 MR. HAHN: Open metal building. 23 MR. KING: Okay. 24 MR. HAHN: And I don't know about the load-bearing 25 and all that. But, I mean, if we had to have some pillars in 28 1 there, that would be one thing, but I would for sure want to 2 take the -- 3 MR. WOOD: The roof might leak. 4 MR. HAHN: Yeah. Well -- 5 MR. WOOD: Just a warning. 6 MR. KING: Get in line. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: How would we know? 8 MR. HAHN: Yeah. Yeah, we'd have to get the fire 9 truck out and spray it down. 10 MR. KING: All right. 11 MR. HAHN: Thank you. 12 MR. KING: Thanks, Monty. You'll be available? 13 You'll be around today? 14 MR. HAHN: Yes, I will be. Y'all have my contact 15 numbers and stuff. I'd be happy to answer any questions. 16 MR. KING: I'll probably holler at you later. 17 MR. HAHN: Appreciate it. 18 MR. KING: Thank you very much, Monty. Appreciate 19 it. Thanks for bringing it to us. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If I may, are there other 21 potentials for that building still? Or does have it to be 22 advertised? Or -- 23 MR. KING: We've -- we've had interest in the 24 building, but we've never -- we've had -- what do we have? 25 Have we actually had a proposal at one time? Not really. 29 1 We -- 2 MR. McKENZIE: Never had a proposal. The last 3 gentleman that was interested in it I talked to Wednesday, 4 and he's sort of backed off of it now. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Talking about the letter we got, 6 the three things? That guy? 7 MR. McKENZIE: And we'll go into that in executive 8 session; I'll tell y'all about it. 9 MR. KING: Okay. How about you, Jonathan? You 10 have anything on that? Any question or -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 12 MR. KING: From the county side? 13 MR. LIVERMORE: No thumbs up or thumbs down or 14 anything like that? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As long as -- I mean, to me, as 16 long as the use is compatible with the airport. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 18 MR. KING: Monty, one more question. 19 MR. HAHN: Yes, sir? 20 MR. KING: What -- you sell those vessels mainly to 21 end users or wholesalers or what? Who do they normally go 22 to? You sell them, like, to Devon or EOG directly? 23 MR. HAHN: I sell to the end users, yes. 24 MR. KING: Yes? 25 MR. HAHN: End users. Now, we -- in this 30 1 particular -- I've been buying and selling equipment for the 2 last couple years. 3 MR. KING: Right. 4 MR. HAHN: So we decided we'd had enough of selling 5 somebody else's product and building someone else's company 6 up; we was going to build our own stuff. And, you know, 7 Zach's 26 years old; he needs a career. 8 MR. KING: Right. 9 MR. HAHN: So we're looking for something like 10 that. And we sell to end users. And you're looking for 11 taxes; I see where you're going. 12 MR. KING: I'm not looking for them. Believe me, 13 I'd like everything to be tax-free. 14 MR. HAHN: City/County would be getting some taxes, 15 but it would be wrong for me to tell you that everything will 16 be taxable, because I will sell to other people that will be 17 reselling as well. 18 MR. KING: I understand. 19 MR. HAHN: So, everything won't come from here. 20 And I don't understand exactly how taxes work, but I think if 21 I sell something in Dimmitt County, or -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Point of sale. 23 MR. HAHN: Sometimes it's the point of sale -- 24 MR. KING: Right. 25 MR. HAHN: -- right here, but -- 31 1 MR. KING: If they have a tax exemption 2 certificate, obviously, a wholesaler like -- 3 MR. HAHN: If I sold -- 4 MR. KING: -- like you've been buying tanks from 5 Nathan? 6 MR. HAHN: Nathan. 7 MR. KING: And you're -- 8 MR. HAHN: And I'm not paying the City or County or 9 anybody any tax, 'cause I'm giving him my sales. 10 MR. KING: And then you -- 11 MR. HAHN: And it would be the same between the two 12 of us. I mean, if we were right here together, -- 13 MR. KING: Yeah. 14 MR. HAHN: -- we could be -- could be selling to 15 each other, wholesaling, but one of us would be selling to an 16 end user, you would think. 17 MR. KING: Exactly, 'cause his -- if he sells it to 18 EOG or someone, but that location his -- yeah, if he's going 19 to Devon or TXO or whatever, he's going to -- he's charging 20 some tax. 21 MR. KING: Right, okay. Okay. 22 MR. HAHN: But when he sells it to me and I take it 23 to Carrizo and sell it, he's -- this area's not getting any 24 taxes; I'm selling to them at Carrizo. 25 MR. KING: Right. Right. That's what I was 32 1 wondering. You knew where I was going. 2 MR. HAHN: I've been around you too long. 3 MR. KING: I know, you know me too well. Thank 4 you, Monty. I really appreciate it. Anything else on that? 5 MR. LIVERMORE: We should discuss -- 6 MR. KING: We'll discuss that in open -- in 7 executive session. I've known Monty personally for 10 years. 8 He's -- he does what he says he's going to do, and he does it 9 pretty quick. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Can we go ahead and resolve this 11 matter in executive session, instead of -- go in and come 12 out? 13 MR. KING: Okay. Item 4C -- 14 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm talking about can we go ahead 15 and do it now? 16 MR. KING: Oh, no. 17 MR. WOOD: No. 18 MR. KING: We'll wear out those chairs getting up 19 and down. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 21 MR. KING: Item 4C. 22 MS. BAILEY: There are a couple of changes on the 23 last version of the proposed lease. It'll take a few 24 minutes, but we should do it in executive session, I think. 25 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Any more from -- so 33 1 we don't need to talk to Shawna or anything, right? 2 MS. BAILEY: Not at the moment. 3 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: I'm just going to add one thing. 4 I found out since the last board meeting that the cost to do 5 the ADA is now up to 20,000. 6 MR. KING: Really? 7 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Because they're going to actually 8 have to do some land leveling there in the front. We thought 9 we could handle a lot of that internally, and it's not going 10 to be the case, because we're going to have to do some stuff 11 that we don't have the equipment to do. So -- 12 MR. KING: Okay. 13 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: So, that's it. I mean, we're 14 still planning to do it -- 15 MR. KING: Right. 16 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: -- after we have all the 17 signatures. I just wanted to update you guys -- 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: -- on that. 20 MR. KING: Thank you, Shawna. We'll get that to 21 you as quickly as we can. 22 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Okay. 23 MR. KING: So you can spend some money -- you can 24 spend your money. Item 4D, Mooney lease, Mooney roof 25 replacement, and maintenance issues. Do we -- 34 1 MR. McKENZIE: Jonas was going to -- 2 MR. KING: Jonas will update us on this. 3 MR. TITAS: All right. Representatives from both 4 of the co-owners are here, so I don't want to speak for them 5 too far, but the City has taken action last month to pull 6 from reserves, contingent on the County participation, to 7 allocate $500,000 for the roof. And the County has begun the 8 process of seeing what their budgetary options might be. 9 They've also indicated that they would like to apply for the 10 potential to look at E.I.C. funding for the project, and also 11 want to begin the RFP process. And I think we're with this 12 board, so if Jonathan or Tom would have anything to add to 13 that? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. The latter thing is -- 15 is probably the next step, and that is Commissioners Court 16 asked the Airport Board -- we didn't send you a letter, but 17 it's in the minutes and court order -- to proceed with the 18 developing an RFP and getting quotes on -- competitive quotes 19 on fixing the roof. And then with that, we're looking in 20 parallel of how we would fund it, so we're looking at 21 different options. So, the next action is that of the 22 board -- the airport board. 23 MR. KING: Okay. I just discussed this with Corey. 24 Corey, are you still there? 25 MR. WALTERS: I am. 35 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't you turn that thing 2 around so the speaker is facing you? 3 MR. KING: Corey, why don't you speak to the 4 discussion you and I had about, you know, that we need to -- 5 the steps that we need to take to move forward prior to an 6 RFP, as far as hiring a consultant or procuring a consultant 7 to take care of this all for us. I mean, would that be the 8 -- do you think that would be the standard move that we 9 should make on this? I mean, Corey's background in this -- 10 in buildings is pretty extensive over what we have on the 11 board here, and so we kind of -- I'm kind of leaning on him a 12 little bit. He has a lot of large buildings that have large 13 roofs, and they do a lot of this same process on their 14 buildings and stuff, so he's probably had more experience in 15 this than most people in the room. So, do you have anything 16 to add, Corey? 17 MR. WALTERS: Yes. Can everybody hear me all 18 right? 19 MR. LIVERMORE: Yes. 20 MR. KING: Yes. 21 MR. WALTERS: Okay. Yes, I do believe that we do 22 need to -- the airport needs to find a consultant to help us 23 on the drafting of an RFP. Consultants would make 24 recommendations on exactly what type of roof that we need, or 25 what they recommend, and so that he can write the specs to 36 1 put it out for an RFP to get proposals. I have had a 2 discussion with actually three consultants. One came as a 3 recommendation with an architectural firm in San Antonio that 4 I've done a lot of business with. It's a good-sized firm 5 called MDN Architects in San Antonio, and they've been around 6 a long time; probably 35, 40 years. They've done work for 7 H.E.B., for the City of San Antonio, even designed and did a 8 design-build for Mamacita's in San Antonio. And we utilized 9 them when Hagi came to us and asked us to help him with his 10 Mamacita's in San Marcos, and we utilized that firm. So, 11 they have a lot of -- a lot of experience, and the architect 12 -- lead architect down there gave me the name of a consultant 13 that I've contacted. And I'm in the process of getting some 14 -- or a proposal from another consultant. There's one 15 consultant that wasn't able to do it because of health 16 reasons, but the bottom line is we need to look -- I'll 17 discuss this more in executive session, but we need to hire a 18 consultant to help us write the RFP. 19 MR. KING: And, Corey, the new consultant -- you 20 told me when we had our prior discussions about this, kind of 21 visited about it, you know, just asking you how the process 22 worked, you know, that consultant would carry through all the 23 way through the process; is that correct? 24 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. He would -- initially, what 25 he'd do is come out and assess the -- the Mooney buildings 37 1 and see -- my initial conversation with one of the 2 consultants was that, you know, it may not be necessary that 3 we need the same type of roof on all the buildings. It may 4 be that we do. But he says it's not -- he's not certain yet 5 from what he could -- could tell just looking at the roof 6 structures on Google Earth that he needs the same type of -- 7 of roof for every structure. But they haven't physically 8 been here as well, so -- but he would write -- look at the 9 roof, write the spec for an RFP, and then he would analyze 10 the bids when they came in, and then would review the 11 construction -- the application during construction, and 12 approve draws. 13 MR. KING: Okay. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: What is the time period, do you 15 see, that this process would take from the day we hire the 16 fellow to the day we send the letter or the proposal out for 17 response? 18 MR. WALTERS: Well, without knowing exactly -- I 19 mean, we haven't yet, you know, even chosen a consultant, so 20 I don't know exactly. You know, depends on how long it takes 21 for us to actually choose somebody, then get his schedule and 22 get him, you know, on site to do -- I mean, there's a lot of 23 square footage, and there's, you know, a lot of buildings. I 24 don't think it will take him very long, but -- so -- and 25 then, you know, a bid proposal probably wouldn't take him 38 1 more than -- after they cover the assessment of the Mooney 2 facility, take them probably, you know, three or four days -- 3 probably four days, you now, maybe a week at the most to make 4 their recommendation. However, one of the things that, you 5 know, may lengthen the process is, you know, I did send two 6 of the consultants a copy of the current bid that Mooney had 7 from the contractor in Austin, and one of the questions that 8 came out was whether it was -- the structures were suitable 9 to carry the load. Were all the structures suitable to carry 10 the load of that roof? I don't know that. I'm not a 11 structural engineer. And I don't know if the contractor in 12 Austin obtained a structural engineer to assess that, but 13 that's something that could add to the length of time to 14 actually come up with with an RFP. We may have to get a 15 structural engineer on-site, you know, to assess those 16 buildings. 17 MR. KING: Anybody else have anything for Corey? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What did -- Corey at one time 19 was talking about using -- using one of his employees as a 20 potential. Is that still feasible? 21 MR. WALTERS: Yes, I did talk with W.L. in our 22 office, and he's right; we've put on a lot -- we've done 23 Duro-Last, done Firestone's. Duro-Last is an EPDM. We've 24 put on a Firestone, which is a similar product; they call 25 theirs a TPO, and there's a technical name, you know, for 39 1 those type of products, and I can't -- I don't know that it 2 really matters. But -- so yes, he is -- he is available to 3 do the same things as another consultant. But I felt like, 4 you know, it was important, or that maybe for us to do our, 5 you know, talking with another outside consultant, a paid -- 6 find out, you know, what their fees would be. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, Corey, my question was -- 9 well, you pretty well answered it, but this isn't a quick 10 process, is it? 11 MR. WALTERS: No. I don't think -- I don't think 12 it's a lengthy process, but I think it's a -- I don't think 13 it's something that, say, right now, okay, by the end of next 14 week, we'll have an RFP out. I realize the urgency of it, 15 but, you know, I do think that we want to make sure that we 16 have the type of roof for the buildings that are at Mooney. 17 And, you know, it may be -- as I say, it may be that 18 Duro-Last is the right type, but I don't know yet. I mean, 19 there was -- you know, it was interesting; I had a 20 conversation with two consultants. They both questioned 21 whether we should put an EPDM, you know, type membrane roof 22 on there. Most of them kind of questioned that. You know, 23 we might go -- we should consider an elastomer coating in 24 lieu of of a membrane system. And, you know, I -- and I've 25 talked with a gentleman who worked in my office about that. 40 1 There is a savings certainly with doing an EPDM -- or rather 2 with an elastomer coating, certainly, over a membrane-type 3 roof system. But I think there's also -- excuse me. There's 4 also, you know, a longevity factor, too. It's not going to 5 last as long, and so, you know, is that kind of just a 6 bandaid? And how much is your savings compared to what the 7 longevity of going with a membrane system? So, these are 8 some things that I think that, you know, we need some 9 guidance on from a consultant, whether it be with the 10 gentleman in my office, you know, or -- or an outside 11 consultant. Now, to answer your question now, I think 12 there's a spec that is actually in our hands right now that 13 we can say, "Okay, this is what we're going with." 14 MR. KING: Mayor? Mayor, go ahead. 15 MAYOR PRATT: In my conversation with Mooney, one 16 of their objectives with the roof was to provide some type of 17 insulation so it would keep the heat away from the employees, 18 and also -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And also keep down the 20 condensation. 21 MR. WALTERS: I agree with you. Now, the EPDM or 22 TPO systems, there is a -- there is an insulation in them, 23 what they call an IsoBoard on top, so what you do is you put 24 the insulation board in those flutes on the roof, and then 25 you put the IsoBoard on top, but it's -- and the thickness 41 1 that was in the Duro-Last bid was a 40-mil. Interesting; one 2 of the consultants that I talked to said that they wouldn't 3 do anything less than an 80-mil roof. You know, I mean, 4 that's a lot more expensive. I don't know how much more 5 expensive, but, you know, his recommendation was, you know, 6 that the 40-mil roof he thought was insufficient because of 7 heat. He thought that the -- the percentage of tears and 8 gaps is greater. Now, again, I haven't talked with him 9 in-depth about that, but, you know, I think even the 10 gentleman in my office thought that the 40-mil was a little 11 light. So, you know, these are some questions that we need 12 to get answered. So, back to your original, you know, 13 question, Ed, it's not going to be -- you know, we still have 14 a ways to go to get some answers so we can draft some specs. 15 MR. KING: Okay. So, Corey, to proceed on this, 16 you would -- would you say we probably need to go ahead and 17 engage a couple of these consultants and get -- first of all, 18 get some pricing with them as far as their services and their 19 availability, and then we can kind of compare that to the 20 option of -- and I'm going to -- I tell you, I appreciate 21 you. If we do -- if you end up offering W.L., I appreciate 22 that. I think -- I know that he works for you guys 23 full-time, and that's a -- that's quite a generous offer by 24 you and your sister. 25 MR. WALTERS: Well, we have -- I mean, he's got -- 42 1 W.L.'s got 40 years of construction experience. And like I 2 said, we're -- you know, we're putting on a roof right now up 3 in Missouri that's on a 50,000 square foot building, and -- 4 you know, and we've done -- like you said, we've done a 5 Firestone roof; we've done Duro-Last. We've done, you know 6 stilt job, you know, balancing roof. We've done many 7 different types. Now, W.L. was used -- BWL Plumbing was used 8 by the school district, the high school. He was the 9 go-between, between the school district -- independent school 10 district, K.I.S.D. and the contractor for making sure that 11 the plans were followed, and also quality control. I think 12 it worked out pretty good. I didn't know of any complaints 13 that happened in that -- during that process. He's currently 14 also -- the school district is using him again to work at the 15 stadium. 16 MR. KING: Oh, really? 17 MR. WALTERS: For the new field house. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Does he have time to take on this 19 project? 20 MR. WALTERS: Yes, he does. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 22 MR. WALTERS: I don't -- I don't think -- you know, 23 I don't think it's going to be a kind of -- you know, 24 certainly a lengthy construction process, like certainly 25 building from the ground up. But, you know, I think it's 43 1 mostly just making sure that, you know, we get the right roof 2 for those buildings, and then make sure that they're applied 3 properly, and that's what his expertise is. 4 MR. KING: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- 6 MR. WALTERS: If we -- I will say he's not a 7 structural engineer, so it's very possible that if we do use 8 him, that we may need to engage -- the airport may need to 9 engage a structural engineer to -- to assess those buildings 10 and come up with some load calculations. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's going to be the biggest 12 thing that you got right there as far as time is concerned, 13 because a structural engineer is going to have -- he's not 14 going to have any drawings or anything else saying what the 15 capability of those buildings are. 16 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, probably one of the 18 parameters is, what's the weight of the membrane or the 19 spray-on or whatever? And if you keep it down to, you know, 20 a couple of pounds per square foot, it's probably not an 21 issue, and that's probably the only thing a structural 22 engineer is going to be able to make an assessment. But he's 23 not going to be -- he's not going to certify -- he's not 24 going to put his structural engineering stamp on that, I'll 25 tell you. But I think the -- to answer Ed's question, this 44 1 isn't -- this isn't rocket science to put a -- fix those 2 roofs. And I would think from -- from today to the time you 3 have an RFP, if you -- you know, that I couldn't see that 4 taking over a month from right now, you'd have an RFP on the 5 street, and get a response in a couple weeks. So, I don't 6 think it's very -- it's not a very big process. 7 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, I agree with you, Tom. I think 8 we could certainly have, you know, an RFP out for -- you 9 know, the specs written for an RFP out within 30 days. I 10 think you're also right, you know, I mean, in terms of the 11 weight -- the weight of the roof. That 40-mil -- you know, 12 the EPDM weighs about 2 pounds a foot. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 14 MR. WALTERS: So, again, I don't know what -- you 15 know, and I think you also made a correct statement; without 16 a set of plans, the structural engineer's probably not going 17 to do anything that's sealed. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, he won't seal it. 19 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Well, thanks, Corey. 20 We'll talk a little more about that in executive session. 21 Anybody else have a question for Mr. Walters? Yes, Mr. Letz? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not a question; more of a 23 comment, that when we were going through the airport -- or 24 the Mooney facility a couple weeks ago, I still have a real 25 concern about those interior -- the quonset hut, all of that 45 1 stuff in the middle, the structural integrity of that and the 2 long-term viability. It just seems to me it needs to -- any 3 solution -- I'd hate to have it all membrane that goes over 4 the whole package, because part of those buildings are 5 certainly structurally not nearly as sound as other portions 6 of that structure, and I just think that needs to be in the 7 back of the consultant's, you know, brain looking at that as 8 a long-term -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good point. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- what's going to happen over 11 there. 12 MR. KING: Sure. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If there's a way to 14 reconfigure -- this is more of a Mooney question -- 15 reconfigure some of their operation over there. 16 MR. KING: Right. Right, okay. Anybody else have 17 a question? Go ahead, Corey. 18 MR. WALTERS: I do have -- you know, one question 19 is, Bruce and I were talking about the consultant, whether 20 it's going to be a requirement of the airport that we send 21 out an RFP for a consultant. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My -- and I defer to Ilse, but 23 my thought on it would be that if it's for professional 24 services, you can just make it -- you can do an RFQ, but you 25 don't have to. 46 1 MS. BAILEY: You're correct, yeah. It's not 2 required. I think that the board could authorize Bruce or a 3 committee or whoever to go forward with this, and make, as 4 part of that process, the authority to select a consultant 5 without doing an RFP. 6 MR. KING: Okay. 7 MR. WALTERS: That would certainly make things go 8 quicker, and, you know, I would prefer that we go that way if 9 we can. 10 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Anybody else? That's 11 it. All right, we'll move -- we'll take -- we'll talk a 12 little bit more about that in executive session. Okay, 13 Corey? Thank you very much for your input on that. Item 4E, 14 the Brown hangar lease. 15 MS. BAILEY: We just need an executive session on 16 that. 17 MR. KING: No, I want to bring something up on 18 that, 'cause we do have something that we're probably going 19 to have to discuss. We're going to have to make a decision 20 on something, and that would be that -- that I want to 21 propose that we -- our -- the proposed tenant we have for 22 that building, we tasked him with getting information from an 23 architect on the -- to try to get some information from the 24 city Building Code people as to what would actually have to 25 be done to the hangar to make it -- to change the use of the 47 1 hangar. Change the use of it, okay? He in turn hired David 2 Martin, a local architect, to come up with the numbers, and 3 they have -- he has a copy of the plans, and to come up with 4 what would be required to get this hangar as a -- as a change 5 of use building and be occupied for a different type of 6 business, okay? 7 So, after -- after a lot of thought on this and a 8 lot of discussion with the potential tenant, I feel like that 9 we probably should have taken that on as our own -- this 10 should have been our own project. That should have been 11 something that the Airport Board should have -- it's our 12 building. I mean, it's the City and the County's building. 13 The airport manages that building, and that if we want to 14 change the use of that building, we probably should -- we 15 probably should ask for that -- ask for that information, and 16 then also have that information available to us in our file 17 for future -- in the future, if someone ever does want to 18 change the use of that building, assuming that this other 19 deal does not work out, or it does work out. But I just feel 20 like we should have that information available. 21 I talked to Jonas about that, and Jonas said that 22 would be something that he would probably need in his -- you 23 know, in his possession if he ever had someone come in and 24 want to use the building. So, I'm proposing that we -- that 25 we take over that project, 'cause the total bill is $8,000 to 48 1 get the information. I'm proposing that we take over that 2 project, and in association, and ask David Martin to finish 3 the project for the Airport Board, and we will pay for that 4 out of our budget -- out of our contingency or somewhere in 5 our budget. We'll pay for it out of our budget. And in 6 return, I think we should offer -- we should refund 7 Mr. Solomon back any money he's spent on procuring that from 8 David Martin. Any discussion on that? 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, now, do you want to discuss 10 -- decide that at this time, or do you want to discuss that 11 in part of the executive session thing and then come back to 12 it? What do you want to do? 13 MR. KING: Well, I don't know. I don't know why we 14 have to talk -- we can talk about that in executive session 15 more, but I think this issue's going to have to be decided in 16 open session. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Right. 18 MR. KING: Doesn't matter whether we discuss it in 19 executive session. To make a decision, we have to come back 20 to open session and basically reveal all the information that 21 we just discussed. 22 MR. KENNEDY: Right. 23 MR. KING: So -- 24 MR. WALTERS: I have a question. 25 MR. KING: Yes? 49 1 MR. WALTERS: What is the -- $8,000, is that a firm 2 figure of 8,000? Is that the total for David Martin, or is 3 that 8,000 in addition to the amount that we have to 4 reimburse Ronnie Solomon? 5 MR. KING: No, that is -- go ahead, Bruce. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Corey, this is Bruce. Ronnie's 7 already paid him half of that, and it would be reimbursing 8 Ronnie for that half. And then we've instructed David to 9 complete that project, and that would complete the other 10 4,000, so that's where the $8,000 comes from. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Eight total. 12 MR. McKENZIE: Eight total, yes, sir. 13 MR. KING: That's correct. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Right. 15 MR. KING: And we can -- we can discuss any other 16 topics or issues about that in executive session and come 17 back. I just wanted to go ahead and -- instead of having to 18 talk about this after we come out of executive session, 19 basically rehash this whole thing again, I wanted to bring 20 this up in open session to let everybody know what we're 21 going to -- where we're kind of going. 22 MR. WOOD: I got a question on that. Was David 23 putting together different plans for the building that shows 24 the intended use? Where we have to have, maybe, fire 25 protection or -- 50 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. 2 MR. WOOD: -- electrical outlets at a certain -- 3 all that sort of thing? So this could be something of a 4 general sense, where anybody that comes in that has some sort 5 of business that's different than storing airplanes, this 6 would be appropriate. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: It would be good data to have. 8 MR. KING: The intent of the project is to come up 9 with what would be needed to take the building from a current 10 use to a future use, like as an aircraft maintenance building 11 or -- you know, basically changing the use of the building 12 and bring it up to code. He has a copy of the plans; 13 supposedly is only a week away from finishing the project. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. 15 MR. KING: And we anticipate when that project's 16 finished, he'll probably want to be paid. 17 MR. WOOD: So, if we had a future -- if we had a 18 future tenant that wanted to have a business, he could look 19 at this drawing. 20 MR. KING: Exactly. 21 MR. WOOD: He could ask about how much it would 22 cost him to go into business. 23 MR. KING: Which is the reason we'd like to have it 24 in our possession. Because if we -- if we allow -- if we do 25 not pay for this project, there is -- I have every bit of 51 1 confidence that we will not have access to the papers that 2 are being generated, because David is not going to give them 3 to us, because we didn't buy them, didn't pay for them. Yes, 4 Mayor? 5 MAYOR PRATT: I just want to add to that, that 6 those papers, once they're -- David Martin's work is done, 7 take that to the City to get their input on it before you 8 start showing it to the public. 9 MR. KING: Oh, no, we will. 10 MAYOR PRATT: So that there's no -- no 11 misunderstanding. 12 MR. KING: Sure, no. Well, and that's -- I mean, 13 we're basically generating the papers that the city inspector 14 asked us to generate, basically what he asked us to do at the 15 start of this project. All we're doing here is we're going 16 to take over the project, and -- and so we can have access to 17 the information. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: From a county perspective, 19 that's a good plan. 20 MR. KING: I think so. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd like to make this decision 22 after the executive session. 23 MR. KING: We will do that. Okay. Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And may I add one thing? I 25 just got a voicemail that to be made -- that's made in public 52 1 right now, but Bruce Oehler died this morning. 2 MR. KING: He did die? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He had a heart attack and 4 died. So -- 5 MR. KING: One of our county commissioners. I 6 heard he had a heart attack. Well -- 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Gosh, I didn't know that. 8 MR. KING: Thank you very much for that, Tom. Keep 9 his family in our prayers. You -- all right. We'll take 10 that -- a little bit of that in executive session. Hangar 11 dance -- 4F, hangar dance. 12 MR. McKENZIE: This is -- I visited with the board 13 about this. We now obviously have taken possession of -- 14 Corey, can you still hear? 15 MR. WALTERS: I can. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. We've taken possession, 17 obviously, January 1, of the Brown hangar. And we're having 18 our fly-in reunion on May the 10th, and part of that is to 19 have a hangar dance. And our F.B.O. has been nice enough 20 over the years to always let us use his hangars for 21 everything. Well, now we own a hangar, and this is a 22 Kerrville fly-in, so the question is, would the board have an 23 issue if we used that Brown hangar for that hangar dance on 24 Saturday night? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What date? 53 1 MR. McKENZIE: On May the 10th. And what we can do 2 is, Charlie and I looked at it last week, and first of all, 3 Joey will move -- there's two jets in there and a Cub. He 4 will move them out like he did when he had their big hangar 5 sale in December, free of charge, and hangar them for three 6 nights up here in his hangar, no charge to the owners of 7 those three aircraft. And we just need one-fourth of that 8 hangar for this dance. The hangar -- obviously, we've all 9 seen it -- is enormous, and we just need to cordon off a 10 fourth of that for this function. And if we do this, I'll 11 plan on locking out the offices so you can't get in any 12 offices, and there'll be porta-potties down there, 13 skid-o-cans outside for folks to use. We won't let them in 14 the office portion of the hangar. It will just be in one 15 quarter of the hangar. And I wanted to see if the board 16 would like to discuss that or had any issues with that. We 17 can keep everything on that end of the field, rather than 18 having -- 19 MR. WOOD: The first issue that I can think of is 20 that if having a dance there is a change of use, are we in 21 violation of our... (Laughter.) 22 MR. McKENZIE: We've had hangar dances before, and 23 Christmas parties, and -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 25 MR. McKENZIE: -- we've never had an issue. 54 1 MS. BAILEY: Airport business. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Would that be higher or lower? 3 MR. McKENZIE: That's a good question, though, 4 Bill. 5 MAYOR PRATT: When you serve alcohol, it's not 6 business. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Good point. And I've also talked to 8 the City about it, and Kim's supposed to get back with me 9 today to see if everything -- she said, "I don't see a 10 problem." I gave her the info, and she -- 11 MR. WOOD: I'll give you an example. At Riverhill, 12 we had a guy and his wife dancing out on one of these wooden 13 floors that you put together, and there was a crack in it and 14 the lady fell down, and she -- I think she broke her arm or 15 something. So, there's an insurance issue. 16 MR. McKENZIE: That's what I've talked -- 17 MAYOR PRATT: Only thing I was going to add to it 18 is, I would suggest you hire two off-duty policemen, 'cause 19 you're going to have other assets in the building. 20 MR. McKENZIE: We plan on moving those two jets out 21 of there. 22 MAYOR PRATT: So, no other assets in the building? 23 MR. McKENZIE: I'm going to lock the offices out. 24 MAYOR PRATT: Okay. 25 MR. McKENZIE: And I told Kim I wasn't going to 55 1 have any security there. 2 MR. MOSIER: The tenants -- the jets there, do they 3 -- they have a lease? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. Well, we -- what do you call 5 it? 6 MS. BAILEY: Month-to-month. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Month-to-month. Just a 8 month-to-month. 9 MS. BAILEY: They're a holdover. 10 MR. WALTERS: Bruce? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir? 12 MR. WALTERS: I think -- you know, I think -- I 13 mean, obviously you're going to talk to Charlie Thomas about 14 this, but, -- 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. 16 MR. WALTERS: -- you know, in my opinion, I don't 17 see that you can, you know, comment on that. In my opinion, 18 you know, that Commercial Aviation, Inc., is a holdover 19 tenant in that building. And I think, -- 20 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 21 MR. WALTERS: -- you know, you're probably going to 22 have to get their consent as a holdover tenant for this event 23 to happen. I mean, you keep talking about how -- you know, 24 that y'all's -- that the airport's taking possession, but I 25 think, you know, it's -- we continue to -- I think even in a 56 1 memo you wrote to Commercial Aviation, Inc., that they're now 2 a holdover tenant. And I think my definition of a holdover 3 tenant is that they -- if I was a holdover tenant, I'd feel 4 like I'm still in possession of the premises. 5 MS. BAILEY: You're correct, Corey. 6 MR. MOSIER: Bruce, that was my point. I'm a 7 tenant of a 20-year lease. My lawyer said absolutely not. 8 But he has -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. Well, I wanted to run it by 10 you; that's why I'm bringing it up. I appreciate the 11 comments. 12 MAYOR PRATT: That's the reason I suggested a 13 police officer be on duty. 14 MR. KING: Can we -- Corey, can we go ahead and -- 15 what would be the problem with going ahead and taking that to 16 the next step, and just offering -- just, you know, put him 17 on a month-to-month lease like he really is? What's the next 18 step in changing that over? I mean, he's not mowing the 19 grass. 20 MR. WALTERS: Well, even if you put him on a 21 month-to-month lease -- I mean, if you put him on a 22 month-to-month lease, -- 23 MR. KING: Yeah. 24 MR. WALTERS: -- I mean, presently he's already on 25 a month-to-month lease. 57 1 MR. KING: Right. Right. 2 MR. WALTERS: Of the premises. 3 MR. KING: You're saying he's month-to-month on the 4 whole building? 5 MR. WALTERS: Yes. 6 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 7 MR. KING: Okay. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: We could make him a month-to-month on 9 just his airplane. 10 MS. BAILEY: If the dance is an issue, we could ask 11 him if he'd be willing to allow us to hold that dance, and 12 then we would have to make sure that we released him from any 13 liability, and that our insurance would still cover that. 14 And then we could make an agreement with him for that 15 particular dance, so we -- it's doable. It's not that big a 16 deal, but I think we do need to get his permission. 17 MR. McKENZIE: And we don't have to do this. It's 18 a thought. We're trying to keep everything in one part of 19 the airport. That was the basic gist of it, instead of 20 having folks walking, driving all up and down our apron for 21 everything. 22 MR. WALTERS: I don't think he -- I don't think 23 Charlie would have a problem with it, except for, one, he is 24 still a holdover tenant and has possession of the building, 25 and two, I believe that Charlie is still covering -- has 58 1 insurance on that building, and I believe that 'cause he told 2 me so. And -- and so, you know, I mean, I think that's it. 3 I don't think he's personally got a problem with the issue. 4 I don't think he has a problem with moving -- you know, he'd 5 have a problem with moving their planes down there. I don't 6 have a problem with Joey moving my plane down there, but I 7 think it's really just more of a legal issue of, "Okay, if 8 something happens, what is his liability?" 9 MR. McKENZIE: And we have -- we have an insurance 10 policy on it as well, Corey, because I couldn't even show -- 11 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, I realize that the airport did. 12 MR. McKENZIE: I couldn't show the building when we 13 started this process until I got -- Charlie requested an 14 insurance -- a liability policy, which I acquired. 15 MR. WALTERS: Right. Well, and that was 16 actually -- well, they were a -- I had a -- not a 17 month-to-month, but more holdover tenants. They were still a 18 tenant -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. 20 MR. WALTERS: -- of the premises. 21 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. 22 MS. BAILEY: If the board wants to authorize this, 23 it would just be as simple as directing me and Bruce to get 24 with the lessee and see if they're willing to allow us to do 25 it; make a special, separate agreement and get our insurance 59 1 and liability waivers in place. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Who's going to pay for the cost of 3 this? 4 MR. McKENZIE: This is put on by the Kerrville 5 Convention and Visitors Bureau and some other entities. We 6 have no dog in this fight, other than we're furnishing them a 7 great airport to have the function. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: We're furnishing the great airport, 9 and we're furnishing a great building for which we are 10 accepting liability. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm, that's right. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: What's the upside? 13 MAYOR PRATT: Upside you is get pillows and food 14 and everything else; you get fuel sales from the fly-in. 15 MR. McKENZIE: To a degree, yeah. 16 MR. KING: Yeah. Okay. Let's -- we'll talk to 17 Charlie about that -- okay, Corey? -- and see what he says. 18 MR. WALTERS: Yes. 19 MR. KING: And we're getting ready to rectify that 20 situation hopefully really quickly, so that's -- maybe that 21 won't be an issue here in a couple of weeks. So, let's -- 22 we'll talk to him and kind of brief him on what we're 23 thinking, see what his feeling is on everything. But I 24 understand your -- 25 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 60 1 MR. KING: I understand your -- this is strictly a 2 legal issue. Okay. 3 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, it's just a legal issue. I 4 don't think Charlie will have any problem with it, you know, 5 or he's going to have. He's always been very cooperative -- 6 MR. KING: Sure. 7 MR. WALTERS: -- with the airport. And I think 8 it's -- he just wants to make sure that -- if I were him, I 9 mean, Charlie's very thorough about this. He just wants to 10 make sure, I imagine, that, you know, he's not incurring any 11 possible liability. 12 MR. KING: Right. Right, okay. Okay. Anybody 13 else have any more on that? 14 MR. McKENZIE: If Charlie green-lights this, do you 15 want me to proceed with it? Or -- 16 MR. KING: I don't have a problem with it. I think 17 it's a community -- it's a community event, basically. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. Okay. 19 MR. KING: It benefits the community. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 21 MR. KING: So, you know, I think -- I think it's a 22 good -- what do y'all think? Ed, any thoughts on it? 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Just the liability of it is what 24 concerns me. 25 MR. KING: We got liability every time somebody 61 1 parks an airplane out here. 2 MR. WOOD: I don't have any problem with it, as 3 long as we have the letter -- I mean the lessee's the one 4 that needs to be released from his liability, and our 5 insurance will cover it. 6 MS. BAILEY: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The County provides a lot of 8 facilities like that all the time; the Ag Barn, Flat Rock 9 Park, -- 10 MR. KING: That's what I would say. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- Union Church, blah, blah, 12 blah, blah. 13 MAYOR PRATT: I agree. I think it's a community 14 endeavor, and you -- you got two issues. You got liability 15 for the Airport Board, and you have liability for the -- for 16 the leaseholder. So -- 17 MR. KING: It's -- you know, Joey -- Joey provided 18 this hangar down here for about five days down here. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Last month. 20 MR. KING: People basically turned it into a 21 convention center instead of using the hotel. He provided 22 that basically free of charge, and I think it would be nice 23 if we did have something that we could, from time to time, 24 use. 25 MAYOR PRATT: But it also takes funds. 62 1 MR. WALTERS: I certainly think it's, you know, 2 great use of the, you know, project for the community, 3 project for the airport. 4 MR. KING: Right. 5 MR. WALTERS: I think, Mayor, the only -- one other 6 additional liability which, you know, I think is limited, is 7 just the liability of, you know, moving and storing of the 8 aircraft. 9 MR. KING: Yeah. Yeah. Which Joey, you know, 10 obviously has insurance on that for moving them -- moving 11 them and storing them anywhere. 12 MR. WALTERS: Right. 13 MR. KING: Okay. All right. Well, we'll move 14 forward. We'll talk to Charlie about it. 15 MR. McKENZIE: Thank you. 16 MR. KING: Thank you, Corey. Item 4G; solar 17 taxiway lighting. 18 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. We've talked about this 19 several times over the past 18 months. Steve and I have had 20 several conversations about it, and we're to a point now 21 where I have acquired funds to do this. And the situation is 22 this; we can put solar-powered taxiway lights on our taxiway. 23 And I'm going to talk -- I'm talking about just our 24 6,000-foot taxiway out here that parallels 12/30. The blue 25 lights will go every 50 feet on either side of the taxiway. 63 1 The green lights are the centerline taxiway lights, which we 2 all know will go down the middle every 25 feet. These are 3 LED lights. This is the latest and the greatest. These are 4 aluminum alloy. This is old school that was used until last 5 year, which is just a polymer plastic. 6 MR. KING: Can you see those, Corey? 7 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. Corey, can you see those? 8 (Laughter.) You've seen them in my office, 'cause you looked 9 at them the other day. But you can see these are more 10 compact, so on and so forth. These -- and I had 12 of these, 11 and I put them out there about two weeks ago, came bank here 12 at 10:30, when I knew everybody was gone and it was extremely 13 dark, and I set these up, and it's amazing what it looks 14 like. I went right out to the middle of -- Corey, right out 15 in the middle of the parallel on 12/30 and set them up, 16 turned all the lights out on my pickup, and it's amazing. 17 Then I went to the other end of the runway, and you can see 18 them. They're just extremely helpful. It's bright. It 19 works. It's approved. TexDOT approves it. 20 Tim Cowsert -- Steve's met him at the store. Kirk 21 met him. He's been at all the TexDOT Aviation conferences. 22 I think Tom met him when he was at the conference. It's a 23 straight-up situation. I've got the funds now to put these 24 in. We can put them on the 6,000-foot taxiway and the four 25 taxi lanes that Steve and I have talked about many times that 64 1 come off of Foxtrot down where you exit, for $44,000. And 2 that's hundreds of thousands of dollars less than it would 3 cost to put LED lighting system in on our taxiways. And this 4 is pretty simple. This -- Corey, I've got a piece of black 5 asphalt here that's a square. This is set on the asphalt; 6 you take a pear burner -- we all -- you know what a pear 7 burner is if you're from Texas. You melt this, lay this on 8 top of it. It sets, and when it congeals, then it's -- 9 you're set. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the life of those? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Five years. We know for sure it 12 will last five years. 13 MAYOR PRATT: What's the life of an LED? 14 MR. McKENZIE: Five years on this. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: LED's probably longer. 16 MR. KING: I think it's the solar panel -- 17 MR. McKENZIE: The solar panel may go out first. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: What is the length of the battery 19 life for this if we have two days of rain? 20 MR. McKENZIE: Four days, they said. Last you 21 about four days. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Really? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, you can go about four 24 days. I've cleared this through -- y'all all know Megan at 25 TexDOT. She's the one that has the grant money for this. 65 1 She's approved it, 'cause it's a safety issue. I run those 2 traps. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: I think it's a terrific idea. 4 MR. McKENZIE: It's a great idea. If the board 5 directs me to do that, we can certainly do it, and it will be 6 about 45 days before Tim can put these in. He has to order 7 them and so on and so forth, but he'll remove what's out 8 there now, the reflectors. All this will be new. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a grant that will pay for 10 it? 11 MR. KING: RAMP grant. 12 MR. McKENZIE: RAMP grant. 13 MR. MOSIER: I think there's more to maintaining 14 these lights. I mean, when the wired lighting systems break, 15 you're fixing the broken wires. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Expensive. That's a good point. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, anyone who's taxied in here 18 in the middle of the night, this place is dark. 19 MR. McKENZIE: I hear it from Steve quite often. 20 MR. KING: I'd like -- I tell you, I've looked at 21 these things. I've been probably the one that's pushed this 22 thing as long as anybody, but I'd really like to do a test 23 program on the thing to see. I mean, the only one thing that 24 worries me about the program, it's going to cost us 8,000 a 25 year to maintain it. We're going to have $8,000 a year that 66 1 we got to put aside. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Like a maintenance contract. 3 MR. KING: No, you got to replace them. Somebody's 4 going to have to scrape them all up, throw them away. $8,000 5 a year capital cost just to maintain them. 6 MAYOR PRATT: Plus inflation. 7 MR. KING: I mean, at the end of five years, 8 they're not going to -- ain't going to work no more. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Some of them won't; you're right. 10 Some of them won't. 11 MR. KING: But, I mean, somebody's going to have to 12 go out there. How many are there, total? 13 MR. GRIFFIN: Six hundred. 14 MR. McKENZIE: 660. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Ten percent of them will have 16 a problem. 17 MR. KING: I think more than that. He guarantees 18 them for five years. I don't know what's going to happen 19 after five years. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Ten percent the first year. 21 MR. KING: My concern is the labor. I'm not 22 figuring any labor in; that's just capital cost of purchasing 23 equipment, would be at five years -- say six years. Six 24 years would be 6,500 a year, if they lasted six years. And 25 then the labor cost, I don't know what the labor cost is 67 1 going to be to put -- 2 MR. McKENZIE: We can -- 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Ten dollars a piece. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Ten dollars a piece, but we can 5 replace them. 6 MR. KING: To put them in. 7 MR. McKENZIE: That includes the installation. The 8 44,000 includes the installation. 9 MR. KING: We're going to -- he's going to have to 10 come back. 11 MR. McKENZIE: No, we can -- Roy can take these and 12 scrape them up whenever they do, and put a new one in 13 whenever these need to be replaced. Our people can do that. 14 MR. KING: So, on the taxiway, you're putting blue 15 ones on -- 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Green ones down the center. Blue 17 ones down the sides, and green down the center. 18 MR. KING: Blue ones down the sides, and green down 19 the center. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, on the four taxi lanes. 21 MR. KING: How far apart are the blue ones? 22 MR. McKENZIE: Fifty feet. And the green ones are 23 25 feet. That's 350 green ones and 300 blue ones. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: This will only apply to our main 25 runway? 68 1 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. I've got a price to do 2 the whole airport, but -- 3 MR. KING: Main taxiway. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah, right. 5 MR. McKENZIE: And then eventually we can do 6 Taxiway Echo, which is in front of us here. And if the board 7 so desires, we can do Taxiway Foxtrot, which parallels 3/21. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: And these are using -- this is not 9 -- this is a proven product that's used in other airports? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 11 MR. WALTERS: Hey, Bruce? 12 MR. KENNEDY: Yes, sir? 13 MR. WALTERS: I'm must curious why -- I mean, 14 you've got -- you've got the lights on either side of the 15 taxiways and then down the middle. Is it not feasible for us 16 just to either do the lights on either side of the runway, 17 the blue -- I mean the taxiway in the blue, and not do the 18 ones down the middle? Or just do the ones down the middle 19 only? 20 MR. KING: That was my question. 21 MR. McKENZIE: We can. We can. 22 MR. KING: If you put your nose wheel on the ones 23 in the middle, -- 24 MR. LIVERMORE: You go kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. 25 MR. KING: -- you know, the taxiway's wide enough 69 1 for your aircraft. I don't know. 2 MR. McKENZIE: Just -- you have to check into the 3 nonstandard lighting issue there, Corey. We have nonstandard 4 markings. I need to research that a little bit. 5 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 6 MR. KING: That was my -- one of my questions, was 7 I was trying to pare this thing down to where it wasn't the 8 same amount of lighting that's at J.F.K. or something like 9 that. It's just so much of these things that are not -- if 10 they lasted forever, I wouldn't be -- I wouldn't have a 11 question about it. But at some point, I see Roy out there 12 spending most of his lifetime popping these things up and 13 putting them back down. And -- 14 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 15 MR. KING: I mean, 600 of them. If we did -- 16 that's for one taxiway. If we did the rest of the taxiways, 17 we're talking probably 1,000 of these things. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. And to feed off of your 19 question, of course, I don't fly at night -- I try not to, 20 but would you rather have the center line or the -- or the 21 edges lighted? 22 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd rather have the edges. 23 MR. KING: My main problem -- 24 MR. GRIFFIN: That's -- me too. 25 MR. KING: My main problem with the -- with the 70 1 lack of lighting is not when you're taxiing straight down the 2 taxiway; it's when you're turning off the runway. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what I've experienced. 4 MR. KING: Corey, don't you experience that? 5 MR. WALTERS: Yeah, I agree. 6 MR. KING: I can taxi pretty good straight; I'm not 7 that bad. I have four lights out here on the side. But it's 8 when you turn off the runway, it's actually finding a place 9 to turn off. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Exactly. 11 MR. KING: 'Cause the lights are going forward, and 12 your airplane's -- 13 MR. GRIFFIN: And you're looking -- 14 MR. KING: You're looking right, and there's 15 nothing there. So, that's, you know, my biggest complaint, 16 was always the fact that you can't find out where to turn. 17 There's no -- I mean, there is some -- there's some 18 reflectors there, but -- 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Your lights aren't on them. 20 MR. KING: -- you got to get your light on them 21 first. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what I was asking, the 23 preference for center line versus edge. 24 MR. WOOD: Intersections and turns. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Intersections and turns, and center 71 1 lines versus edges. 2 MR. KING: Yeah. 3 MR. WOOD: You can get rid of the center lines. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: I think we may run into a problem 5 that Bruce brought up, is there may be a minimal -- once you 6 put lights versus reflectors, you may not be able -- 7 according to the regs -- rules and regulations, you may not 8 be able to mix and match. In essence, do some digging, so -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Why don't we approve this, with 10 Bruce determining the standard versus nonstandard? In other 11 words, seeing if we can take out the middle -- the center 12 line, and approve it along the edges. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: I wouldn't go -- I think just 14 center line, to me. 15 MR. WOOD: Let's let Bruce find that out, then. 16 MR. KING: Why don't we find that out first? Would 17 y'all be opposed to buying 100 of them and putting a few of 18 them out there to see what they really look like at night? I 19 mean, I don't -- I don't know. I just -- my biggest concern 20 is the maintenance cost. I don't care about the 44,000. 21 We'll pay for half of it; they'll pay for half of it. That's 22 not a problem, but it's the fact that, you know, we can't be 23 taking $8,000 a year out of our RAMP grant, because, you 24 know, we take -- RAMP grant is only so big; it's $50,000. 25 And -- 72 1 MR. McKENZIE: A hundred grand. 2 MR. KING: A hundred grand, but we get 50 -- 50,000 3 of free money. We can't dedicate it -- if we dedicate $8,000 4 a year to it, you know, that -- that's just fixed. That's 5 money we're never going to get to use again. We're just 6 going to have to use it on the same thing over and over. So, 7 I'm really concerned about the maintenance cost on these 8 things. I don't know, but I would like -- let's check on the 9 nonstandard markings first. How many of these things do we 10 have right now? Just those right there? 11 MR. McKENZIE: I've got, I think, 12 of them in 12 there, yes, sir. 13 MR. KING: Twelve of them? Yeah. Maybe we can 14 actually -- I'll come out and look at them and see, see what 15 they actually look like. See what they actually look like. 16 What's your comment, Corey? 17 MR. WALTERS: Well, I agree with you that, you 18 know, the biggest problem that I've had is turning off the 19 runway and finding the taxiway. So -- you know, and -- 20 MR. WOOD: And you're familiar with the airport. 21 MR. WALTERS: -- those lights are going to be 22 sufficient so that, you know, you can actually see the 23 taxiway. And I agree with you also on the maintenance cost 24 of it. That's why I was curious about, you know, do we have 25 to have, you know, sides and center line both? 73 1 MR. KING: Yeah. And I like -- what I'd like to 2 see is -- one thing I'd like to see is, I'd like to see when 3 you actually turn your lights on, can you see them? When I 4 put four -- when I put four big lights shining down at the 5 runway, are they still visible, or am I just seeing the 6 little box? 7 MR. McKENZIE: No, these are reflective, but these 8 LED's are bright. 9 MR. KING: LED will shine back. 10 MR. McKENZIE: I turned my headlights on them, and 11 you can see them. It's not -- 12 MR. LIVERMORE: You have some out there now? 13 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir. I just laid these out the 14 other night, late. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: I got you. 16 MR. McKENZIE: And looked at them. 17 MR. KING: Why don't we experiment with them when 18 you get back, Corey? Maybe we can come out here one night 19 and look at them, see what they look like. 20 MR. WALTERS: Good. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: I'd like to -- 22 MR. KING: I'd like to see a little bit more about 23 it before we just shotgun the whole airport with them. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: Is there an airport in this area 25 that has these? 74 1 MR. McKENZIE: There's one with these latest ones 2 on them on the Louisiana border that he just did the entire 3 airport in these. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: That's clear over in east Texas. 5 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, over in east Texas. This is 6 the latest stuff. 7 MR. KING: Yeah. 8 MR. WALTERS: Why don't -- Bruce, why don't you 9 call the airport manager in Louisiana and ask him, you know, 10 how he -- or call a couple of managers -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: Sure. 12 MR. WALTERS: -- where they have these, and get 13 some feedback on if they thought it was as good as they said. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 15 MR. KING: And get some from Tim; ask him to give 16 you a list of airports. 17 MR. McKENZIE: I got it in an email last night at 18 6:40 when I was out here. I just got the airports list. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: While you're at it, find out 20 what the -- what percentage they have to replace every year. 21 MR. KING: Okay. I like the -- I like the system, 22 and we need something. We need something for the airport, to 23 a certain extent. I'd just like to get a little more 24 information. I'd like to see a demonstration of it. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd like to know -- and kind of 75 1 maybe what someone just said, but I'd like to know if these 2 things really do stay stuck down. If you've got large 3 airplanes like this hitting those things, particularly the 4 ones in the center, they can get knocked loose. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Same way you do the current -- 6 MR. KING: We have reflectors out there right now 7 everywhere. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: So that's not -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: They're put down with this same 10 process. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: That's the same process. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: All right. 13 MR. WALTERS: And I know, Bruce, that at Comanche 14 Trace, they put some of these out there. 15 MR. KING: Yeah. 16 MR. WALTERS: I don't know how long ago. And some 17 of them have -- you know, some of them are coming up. 18 MR. KING: Turned off, a lot of them were. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, I remember that. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: They were real nice at first, and 21 now they're spotty. 22 MR. KING: Yeah, okay. 23 MR. WALTERS: Exactly. 24 MR. KING: Okay. All right, we'll move on to the 25 T-hangars, Item 4H. 76 1 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. Kirk, a couple of weeks ago, 2 had asked me for a revised schedule, which was a good call, 3 and now you have a revised schedule in your packet, which is 4 kicked back approximately 30 days. Quite honestly, I'm going 5 to default to what I said back in January. It will probably 6 be Labor -- yeah, Labor Day weekend when we're getting them, 7 so first of September. And that's about what Robert's got on 8 his schedule right here, so this is -- 9 MR. WALTERS: Completion Labor Day weekend? 10 MR. McKENZIE: Well, yes, sir. The week before. 11 MR. WOOD: He's showing mid-August here, but Bruce 12 is being realistic. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Trying to be realistic about a 14 construction project. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: He's hoping that it rains. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where do you stand on 17 commitments to rent? 18 MR. McKENZIE: That's what I'm going to talk to the 19 board about in just a second, but I've got 43 on the waiting 20 list. But -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what is -- 22 MR. McKENZIE: We'll -- I'm sure we'll purge 20 of 23 those, and this is going to be a great time to purge the 24 list. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you still didn't answer my 77 1 question. 2 MR. McKENZIE: I've got it full. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. That was my -- okay. 4 All right, great. Super. 5 MR. McKENZIE: We'll fill it up. 6 MR. KING: It will be full. 7 MR. McKENZIE: We'll fill it all up. 8 MR. WOOD: Bruce, on this schedule -- 9 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir? I'm sorry. 10 MR. WOOD: On the schedule, are we getting monthly 11 reports from Robert about things that might be holding him 12 up? Or -- 13 MR. McKENZIE: So far, nothing's held him up. The 14 only thing we've had a holdup on -- it really wasn't a 15 holdup -- was Kerr County Road and Bridge. That was a more 16 substantial job than they anticipated moving that dirt, but 17 they were very diligent in it and they stayed with it, and 18 they were a pleasure to work with. And that took about 19 another three or four weeks than we thought it was going to 20 take. You'll have to see it to understand what I'm talking 21 about. But the rest of it, he's -- he's turned in one 22 estimate for $39,000 that has been paid. He told me last 23 week he's going to turn in another estimate this week, which 24 will be substantial, because it's got all the fuel in it, all 25 the base material in it, a lot of testing for testing lab. 78 1 This one's going to be a substantial draw. 2 MR. WOOD: So, we had approximately a three-month 3 delay here. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Right here, yeah. 5 MR. WOOD: The preliminary design. So, where are 6 we now? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In the blue. 8 MR. McKENZIE: We're right here. 9 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: If I read -- not having Robert here 11 to tell us the definition, but if I look at this, I come off 12 the final design engineering and permitting, and I have a red 13 line, and then in July I have a red line that goes vertical, 14 and then in August I have a red line that goes vertical. I 15 think those are his critical path dates. What I'm concerned 16 about is making sure that we get the permitting and stuff to 17 him by the end of this month so that we can stay off of his 18 critical path. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. The -- I'm sorry, go ahead. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: No, I'm -- 21 MR. McKENZIE: I'll answer your question. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, is that -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: This has been turned in. The City 24 said he should have that by last Wednesday. Then we hit the 25 holiday weekend, so hope against hope, we should have -- I 79 1 got a call from the City Thursday afternoon late; they wanted 2 Robert's telephone number. They said they just needed to get 3 some information to finish the process. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 5 MR. WOOD: If I read this right, then the hangar 6 foundation is dependent on the final design permitting. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: They can't pour concrete until he has 8 design permitting. 9 MR. WOOD: And looks like the site work is done, 10 and that's -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 12 MR. WOOD: -- there, but we still have to get that. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. The red line -- the red 15 line -- the thin red vertical lines are his critical path. 16 This gets it to the third week of August. 17 MR. McKENZIE: To get down here. 18 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: So we've got to make -- that's what I 20 -- all my question really is. What can we do to put -- to 21 ask whomever to make sure we make that very critical date of 22 permitting? 23 MR. WOOD: And if you look at hangar delivery, 24 you've got a blue line going out here to the early -- first 25 week in May, but the red only goes so far. I mean, is that 80 1 going to be a problem? 2 MR. GRIFFIN: That's just the steel on the ground. 3 MR. McKENZIE: The steel of the building. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: He's already ordered it. 5 MR. KING: Already been ordered; that's been done. 6 MR. WOOD: I wondered why it isn't red further out. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: 'Cause it's not in the critical path. 8 MR. WOOD: Okay. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: He's got four weeks between the 10 time -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Four weeks is March. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: He's got four weeks between when the 13 steel shows up and -- is that right? Erecting the -- 14 MR. McKENZIE: He told me they should have the 15 steel in the ground the first or second week of May. Then 16 he's waiting for foundation contractors. He -- we're ready 17 now. When we get that permit pulled, we're going up. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: At what point does the dust cloud 19 go away? 20 MR. McKENZIE: As soon as they pave it. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: As soon as you pave it all. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: I've been seeing that with my plane 23 two of the last three times I've flown. 24 MR. McKENZIE: You and several other folks. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, 81 1 okay? Well, here's -- here's what I'm saying, Bruce, is I 2 think it looks great. We need to make sure we meet this end 3 of April on this permitting, and the board does everything 4 that it can -- and he's not here. All right, sorry. 5 MR. KING: No. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: No, it wasn't you that was not here. 7 We need to make sure we get our permits. 8 MR. McKENZIE: We need to ask the mayor when he 9 gets back, or after the meeting. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: I think he left. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: He's got another meeting. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: He signed off when he went out. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Or we can ask Sandra to pass the 14 word. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: But, anyway, so that was my main 16 reason for saying what I said. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Sure, I understand. Hopefully, Kirk 18 -- hope against hope, we get it back this week. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. If -- if, in the next couple 20 days, we don't get an answer -- 21 MR. McKENZIE: You want a phone call? 22 MR. GRIFFIN: -- I would like an attorney call, and 23 I think somebody needs to go -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: Visit? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: -- visit somebody at City Hall. I'm 82 1 not sure it's Bruce. 2 MR. McKENZIE: We'll get it. But I concur; I think 3 we -- if we don't have it in our hands, we need to make a 4 move. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you. 6 MR. McKENZIE: And the second thing on that is, in 7 about two weeks, I'm going to start the process of taking the 8 deposits for the hangars, just to inform the board. That's 9 when I'm going to start the process of getting my deposits. 10 MR. KING: Okay. 11 MR. McKENZIE: And the way I'm going to do that is, 12 as y'all know, we have three different places. I've now 13 decided I'm just going to ask for one -- thank you. I'm 14 going to ask for one month's rent as the deposit for the 15 hangar. And this is a perfect time, like the Commissioner 16 and I were talking about a moment ago; we're going to purge 17 our list right now, going to see who is and who isn't. So -- 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Is this a nonrefundable deposit? 19 MR. KING: Sure. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Should be. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. If you want the hangar, it's 22 a nonrefundable deposit. 23 MR. KING: Okay. 24 MR. McKENZIE: If that's -- 25 MR. WALTERS: Bruce, are they going to -- if 83 1 they -- at the time they sign a lease, will they be able to 2 apply that deposit to their first month's -- 3 MR. McKENZIE: No. 4 MR. WALTERS: -- rent? Are you going to hold it? 5 MR. McKENZIE: No, we're going to hold it. They'll 6 start paying rent when we start -- 7 MR. WALTERS: Okay. So, are they -- so when they 8 pay their first month's rent, will you still have their 9 security deposit and continue to hold it all through while 10 they're a tenant in the T-hangars? 11 MR. McKENZIE: That's what I've been doing all the 12 time anyway. 13 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. Whenever you move out, 15 you get your deposit back. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: So, the three of us -- I didn't 17 even remember doing that. I made a deposit? 18 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, Corey, 19 you're correct. 20 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Is that -- if that's -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: It's been a long time. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Okay with the board? 24 MR. KING: That's fine. 25 MR. WOOD: I think it's good. You'll purge the 84 1 list; only serious people will be there. 2 MR. KING: Okay. Anything else on that? 3 MR. McKENZIE: That's it, scheduling. 4 MR. KING: The budget. Are we going to do that in 5 open session or what? How do you want me to do it? 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, that's what we need to do. 7 MR. KING: Do you have a copy of the budget, Corey? 8 MR. WALTERS: I do. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: We're going to lose Bruce for a 10 second here, Corey. Hand on. 11 MR. KING: As much as I'd like to put this off 12 until next month, we need do it now. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, one of the questions that I 14 had in reviewing this was we are decreasing once again, which 15 I'm in general agreement with, reducing the City/County 16 input. But we are increasing the -- how solid do we -- of 17 course, Bruce isn't here, but how much do we believe in these 18 increased numbers from the other income sources? 19 MR. KING: Which ones do you have in question? 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, T-hangar leases. I mean, he 21 just made that statement; he said they're all full. Well, 22 they're in there all full. That's pretty well -- 23 MR. KING: I think those -- I don't have a problem 24 with T-hangar leases. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: I've never heard him say that 85 1 before. 2 MR. KING: We looked at the list, and it looks like 3 it'll be -- it'll be full. 4 MR. WOOD: Well, all this -- 5 MR. LIVERMORE: You know, we thought -- 6 MR. WOOD: It's pretty secure, isn't it? I mean, 7 that's -- 8 MR. LIVERMORE: We thought the parking lot was 9 going to be full, and it's really not. That's just the only 10 one I was thinking of. 11 MR. KING: Well, I think this is a little 12 different. We went down the list of -- I mean, I was looking 13 to see if I was going to get one, is what I was looking at 14 and worried about myself. I just asked him, you know, these 15 guys -- you know, this guy's -- 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Serious. 17 MR. KING: This guy's out. This guy I talked to a 18 couple weeks ago. So, I mean, I think -- and we didn't get 19 past about 20, you know, 25 -- 25, 30. I think we got to 20 30 -- 25 or 30. And so I think there's -- 21 MR. LIVERMORE: You have confidence? 22 MR. KING: I have very good confidence that we'll 23 have these full. 24 MR. WOOD: The only variable on there would be the 25 fuel flow fees. 86 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What do you have in there for 3 Mooney lease? 4 MR. GRIFFIN: 6,000. 5 MR. KING: What do we have for Mooney lease? 6 MR. GRIFFIN: 55. 7 MS. BAILEY: 5,000. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, that's still pending? 9 MR. KING: Right. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: We're getting six now, though. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Still pending, since you don't 12 have a lease. 13 MR. KING: Right. Right. But, I mean, I have 14 every hope -- hope that this will -- that's what they've -- 15 that's what they pretty much have suggested they would like 16 to pay, so I think -- I think that's a pretty good number. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think the City and County 18 are going to -- 19 MR. KING: Ask for more? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not going to say we're 21 going to ask for more, but we're going to question why it's 22 that -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: Why it's five, because that was the 24 2010 -- September 2010 year lease, so I'm just saying it's up 25 for discussion. 87 1 MR. KING: I agree. Y'all can make -- do we 2 already have that on our -- I'll hop in. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you have 5,000 -- or what 4 did you say you have in there? 5 MR. KING: 5,000 a month, yeah. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 MR. KING: Sure, okay. What other questions do you 8 have on revenue sources? 9 MR. WOOD: What about the Brown hangar? Is that in 10 there? 11 MR. McKENZIE: I left that off, because that's -- 12 we don't know what we're going to -- 13 MR. LIVERMORE: That's not even in here? 14 MR. McKENZIE: That's far from settled. We want 15 5,000 a month for it, but I didn't put anything in there. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you have to have 17 something in there. 18 MR. McKENZIE: It's 485 a month; that's what I got 19 plugged in right now. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 485. But I think that's not 21 realistic. 22 MR. McKENZIE: But we don't know -- 23 MR. KING: Right now it is. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: Today it is. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is not what's actual 88 1 today; this is what you project. 2 MR. McKENZIE: We projected January 1 we would be 3 making 5,000 a month. We're 20,000 down right today. 4 MR. KING: I don't -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm talking about for next 6 year. This is talking about October 1st. 7 MR. McKENZIE: I understand. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think putting $400 a month 9 in there beginning in October is not realistic. 10 MR. McKENZIE: If the board wants to put it, 11 certainly, you bet. 12 MR. KING: We can execute that. I just don't want 13 to be -- I'd rather -- I'd rather it be a surprise that we 14 have more income off of it, and I'm fully well thinking we 15 will have more income offer of it. But, you know, we have 16 quite a few variables still hanging out there we're trying to 17 figure out. But I understand your point. What do you think 18 about that, Corey? 19 MR. WALTERS: Well, I agree with Tom. I think 20 that, you know, it's -- this is a proposed budget, and I 21 think that, you know, maybe we should be conservative, but we 22 don't have anything nailed down yet. I certainly don't think 23 it's unreasonable, at least for now, you know, that we would 24 put in, you know, probably, you know, at least $30,000 in the 25 budget for 2015, and it's probably going to be much more than 89 1 that. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You got to have a goal. 3 MR. KING: Okay. All right. 4 MR. WALTERS: I mean -- 5 MR. KING: I don't have a problem. 6 MR. WALTERS: Pardon me? 7 MR. KING: I don't have a problem with that. I 8 wouldn't -- I would rather not put $60,000 in or something 9 like that, and then we have a shortfall, but I could live 10 with 30,000. That's, what, 2,500 a month? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 12 MR. KING: Okay. Where is that item? 13 MR. WOOD: That would be airport land leases. 14 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Lease rental under 47-325-301. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you got 2,500 a month 17 that somebody's willing to commit, is what I understand now, 18 for half of it. 19 MR. KING: They are. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. So, I don't think 21 you're running very much risk. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: I think we ought to put that much 23 in there. 24 MR. McKENZIE: 30? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: You want to put it under -- 90 1 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm not sure where the -- 2 MS. DUNGAN: Airport land leases, which is your top 3 one, 301. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 5 MR. McKENZIE: That's going to be 30. Plus 30. 6 MR. WOOD: 2,500 a month. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Plus 30,000. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: So, it becomes 156,468. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Yes. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 11 MR. WALTERS: Budget begins in October, doesn't it? 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, sir. 13 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 14 MS. DUNGAN: Do you want it 30,000 total, or do you 15 want it 30,000 in addition to? Because what happens, what we 16 have in there now is 5,821, which is -- 17 MR. LIVERMORE: 30,000 total, so it won't be quite 18 the number he said. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. You got to remove the 485, 20 right. 21 MR. WOOD: So that would make it roughly 450,000 22 total. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: 150. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: 150,000. 25 MR. WOOD: Down at the bottom. 91 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, down here, yes. 2 MS. DUNGAN: Yes. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 4 MR. WALTERS: I think that's a -- 5 MR. GRIFFIN: I agree, Corey. 6 MR. WALTERS: Pretty simple, reasonable estimate. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. Steve walked out for a second, 8 so let's keep going. On the third page, under 47-800-311, -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: 47 dash -- 10 MR. KING: Legal fees. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Legal services. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Right. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: That note, should that be 5,000? 14 MS. DUNGAN: Yes. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Instead of 500? 16 MS. DUNGAN: Yes. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: I just don't want Ilse to eat beans 18 and rice. (Laughter.) 19 MR. WALTERS: What's going on? What did I miss? 20 MR. GRIFFIN: On the third page under legal 21 services, the note should say, "include $5,000," versus, 22 "include $500." 23 MR. WALTERS: On the third page? 24 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 25 MR. WALTERS: What line item is that? 92 1 MR. GRIFFIN: 47-800-311. 2 MR. WOOD: Legal services. 3 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 4 MR. WOOD: It went from 5,000 to 10,000. 5 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay, it's just the note. The 7 numbers are -- the numbers were right; it was just the note 8 that missed a zero. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Could I ask a couple of 10 questions on Page 2? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Fire away. I was just -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Professional services, 100 13 percent increase on -- on 010. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So what's the reason? 16 MR. GRIFFIN: That -- well, Bruce -- 17 MR. McKENZIE: Go ahead. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: If I remember right, that is our -- 19 MR. WOOD: Retention. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: That's retention of our engineer. 21 Engineering service. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, 100 percent increase? 23 MR. GRIFFIN: We had zero in it, so -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You added $10,000. 25 MS. DUNGAN: You had 5,000. 93 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm looking at -- it says -- 2 MR. LIVERMORE: We had 10,000 last year, but we 3 spent -- we spent 18,000, apparently. Is that right, Bruce? 4 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But look at the previous 6 years: 5, 0, 8, 8, 18. Then 10 is last year, so you're back 7 to 20, so I'm just saying why? 8 MS. DUNGAN: Mr. Moser, that is for anything like 9 our consultants, our engineering, anything where we need 10 special -- 11 MR. McKENZIE: David Martin that we just spent 12 $8,000 on. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've got that. My question 14 is, why a 100 percent increase? I understand what it's for. 15 MR. WOOD: 'Cause we think we need it. 16 MR. McKENZIE: I think we're going to need it. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: For what? 18 MS. DUNGAN: On-call services. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why the increase? You told me 20 what it is, not why the increase. 21 MR. McKENZIE: What it is, is I believe I'm going 22 to need it. This year I didn't think I was going to spend 23 $8,000 on David Martin. I didn't think we were going to 24 spend other fees that we did, and we went over our line item, 25 or we're about to, so I increased it. That's -- I'm just 94 1 trying to -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, the reason I -- the 3 reason I asked is you've got -- you will have finished the 4 Brown thing, okay. The T-hangar thing is finished. What 5 other major things do you have? That's -- 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Well -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- 100 percent. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: We're about to enter this RFP for the 9 -- for the roof. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's this year. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: That -- well, it's a great chance 12 that we'll see some of that in '15. 13 MR. McKENZIE: We don't have the money for that 14 now. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: We don't have any money for it. 16 MR. McKENZIE: Right now, anyway. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can't go to '15, not for the 18 roof at Mooney. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: It just seems like this thing grows 20 projects out here, and we need -- we need to have -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'm saying. What 22 new projects? 23 MR. LIVERMORE: You tell me, Tom. We didn't know a 24 lot of things a year ago. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, hopefully we'll get in another 95 1 cycle at the end of this. Hopefully we -- we have been just 2 eating them up. 3 MR. McKENZIE: I've got an on-call service contract 4 now that I have a consulting engineer that they signed last 5 month. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand that. I'm just 7 saying -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: Well, that's -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- what new projects? 10 MR. McKENZIE: One project is this lighting 11 project, is one. One project is engineering for the new 12 directional signs put on Taxiway Echo for engineering 13 services. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Anyway, it just seems like a 15 100 percent increase. 16 MS. DUNGAN: Bruce, the SGI program, we don't know 17 anything about it. 18 MR. McKENZIE: That's the other thing. I got a -- 19 we're into a situation -- interesting situation with F.A.A., 20 and it's kind of like the I.R.S.; they're not happy till 21 you're not happy. And we have to prove ourselves -- 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Innocent. 23 MR. McKENZIE: -- innocent, because they say we're 24 guilty with penetrations in our approaches here. And they 25 sent me the coordinates, and the penetrations are on the 96 1 runway, on the taxiway, out in the middle of the field there. 2 They say there's a building out there, which there's not even 3 -- so I've got to prove that through an engineering firm, 4 that we're right and they're wrong, as well as the power 5 lines back over here on the ranch north of us. The trees 6 back here to the north of us, I've got to mitigate that by 7 removing those trees. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But that's not project -- 9 professional services. 10 MR. McKENZIE: I have an engineer hired to help me 11 with it. TexDOT told me they wouldn't touch it. They said, 12 "You get your engineer to do that for us." 13 MR. GRIFFIN: The other piece of the engineering, 14 we've got Building 18 and Building 16 -- 15 MR. McKENZIE: 17. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: -- and 17 that we're going to have to 17 deal with that we don't know. Those are "gotchas" that are 18 hanging out there. We don't have a clue right now, depending 19 on what we do with Mr. Hahn. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me ask another question on 21 102. $12,000 increase. Is that capital -- is this both 22 operation and capital expenditures in this budget? 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Are you talking about the purchase 24 of the new -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm talking a general question 97 1 first. Is it both operations and capital expenditures in 2 this budget? 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Better be. 4 MS. DUNGAN: If you look at 47-800-513, we have 5 "reserve for capital." 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What page? 7 MS. DUNGAN: Page 3. 8 MS. BAILEY: The next page. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What number? 10 MS. DUNGAN: 513. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Reserve for capital, okay. 12 So, is the lawnmower -- is it 12,000? Did you explore that 13 capital, or is that operations? Ilse? 14 MR. McKENZIE: It's -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's our year? Doesn't it 16 say five years or something like that? 17 MS. BAILEY: I don't remember that. 18 MR. WOOD: I asked a question when I first got on 19 the board about capital versus operating budget. Government 20 does it different. Than I'm used to, at least. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, I think we've separated 22 it. We separated it. 23 MS. BAILEY: Do you remember, Jeannie? 24 MS. HARGIS: You can't put it in capital, Tom, 25 because this capital is only for -- for grants and reserves. 98 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 2 MS. HARGIS: It needs to be in the general fund. 3 MR. WOOD: I asked the first question when I first 4 got on the board. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jeannie answered my question. 6 Thanks, Jeannie. Okay. Okay. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay, Steve. 8 MR. KING: Where are y'all at? 9 MR. GRIFFIN: We're probably on about Page 3. 10 MR. WALTERS: I've got a question on Item 204, 11 workman's comp insurance. 12 MR. KING: Yeah. 13 MR. WALTERS: 2015 proposed budget is 3,300. 14 Bruce, is this -- I mean, I've been hearing that workman's 15 comp is, you know, probably going to increase. Again, that's 16 a probable, so I was just wondering if this is a -- you know, 17 you feel like a good number, or is this just from 2013? 18 MR. McKENZIE: We checked with the Auditor's 19 office, and we -- we believe this is a good number. 20 MR. WALTERS: Okay. 21 MS. HARGIS: Corey, our stuff renews in January, so 22 it's real hard for us to tell whether or not the workman's 23 comp's going to go up. 24 MR. WALTERS: Okay. All right. The other item I 25 had is 202, buildings and structures. In 2013 we spent 99 1 22,537. We have in the '14 budget 45,000, and we've only 2 spent 15,000 to-date. We've got another number for 2015 of 3 45,000. I was just wondering -- 4 MR. McKENZIE: No, you're on the wrong line, Corey. 5 MR. WALTERS: Oh, it's -- 6 MR. GRIFFIN: That's mowing. 7 MR. McKENZIE: That's mowing you're looking at, the 8 45,000. 9 MR. WOOD: It's 15. 10 MR. WALTERS: Mowing. 11 MR. McKENZIE: It's 15,000 for the buildings and 12 structures. 13 MR. WALTERS: Oh, okay. I'm sorry, yes. And 14 that's -- is that for mowing? 15 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, that's the mowing 16 contract. 17 MR. WALTERS: Okay. All right, good. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Another question on Page 3 on 19 contingency, 507. You've got $20,000, a $10,000 increase. 20 MR. KING: I see that. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You went out of last year with 22 $50,000 surplus, which was good. I admire you for that. But 23 you also have -- in professional services, you have a $15,000 24 increase for professional services last year over this year, 25 which is a big increase. I just don't see why you have to 100 1 have $20,000 contingency in there, with last year's 2 performance and the big increase in your professional 3 services. 4 MR. KING: I agree. 5 MR. McKENZIE: We'll decrease it, if that's the 6 board's desire. 7 MR. KING: I'm not really -- am I looking at these 8 numbers correctly? Last year our budget was 160,900, and 9 this year the budget is 204,000? 10 MR. McKENZIE: No. No. Last year it was 380, and 11 this year it's -- 12 MR. KING: I got one more page, I guess. Uh-oh, 13 one more page. What was it last year, 379? 14 MR. GRIFFIN: 379,414. 15 MR. KING: Now it's 425? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 17 MR. KING: We were under our budget last year by 18 how much? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 50. 20 MR. KING: 50,000? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 22 MR. KING: So, we spent 50,000 less, so we spent 23 329,000 last year, correct? And now we're going to spend 24 425; $100,000 more this year? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. If I look at the -- if 101 1 I look at actuals, too, which is -- you know, you don't have 2 '14 actuals, obviously, but you've got -- you've got a 3 $100,000 increase over '13 actuals to '15 proposed. That's a 4 30 percent increase. That's big. 5 MR. KING: That's what this process is about. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. And I'm just asking you 7 questions. I know I don't get to -- it's yes or no for us, 8 but I'd better ask questions now rather than... 9 MR. KING: I know. 10 MR. WOOD: We kind of went through this last year 11 with this question of, do you want to put in what you think 12 all the contingencies -- contingencies are going to be, and 13 look good if you underspent? Or do you want to really cut it 14 down to bare bones? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well -- 16 MR. WOOD: And then look like you overspent? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But then it gets down to tax 18 rate. When we get there and we get everything else in the 19 county, then the bottom line is, if we're too conservative, 20 then you have to pass it on to the public. 21 MR. KING: So -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, being too conservative 23 hits everybody in the county. 24 MR. KING: So why is the truck under reserve for 25 capital, and the mower's not? 102 1 MR. McKENZIE: The truck is under reserve for 2 capital because we set that up so at some point in time, if 3 we needed a new vehicle, we would have that in place, at 4 least the funding. 5 MR. KING: You're saying the truck is a capital 6 expense, and the mower is not a capital expense? 7 MR. McKENZIE: No, the City just broke the mower 8 out because we're going to need a new mower come October. 9 MR. KING: And what are we going to get for the 10 other one? Going to take a trade-in or throw it away or 11 what? 12 MR. McKENZIE: We're going to keep it. 13 MR. KING: Just have two mowers? 14 MR. McKENZIE: We've got two big ones now. 15 MR. KING: Right. 16 MR. McKENZIE: But I'd like to put a third one on, 17 because these are starting to get a lot of hours on them. 18 MR. KING: Right. 19 MR. McKENZIE: And I'm just trying to be judicial 20 and due diligence to keep good equipment. 21 MR. KING: Yes. Jeannie? 22 MS. HARGIS: What's your threshold? Our capital 23 assets threshold is $5,000. 24 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 25 MS. HARGIS: So it's not capital if it doesn't go 103 1 over 5,000. And the auditors right now are budgeting you -- 2 checking you on a $5,000 capital asset. The mower would not 3 be capital, because it's less than $5,000. 4 MR. KING: It's 12,000. 5 MR. WOOD: Big mower. 6 MS. HARGIS: I see. 7 MR. KING: Mower is 12,000, but we're basically 8 just putting 4,000 aside for the truck -- aside for the 9 truck, when we do need a truck. 10 MS. HARGIS: The mower should be in capital items, 11 looking at it, because it crosses the line. Well, it can't 12 go under reserve for capital, 'cause this is their capital 13 fund. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I see. 15 MS. HARGIS: I said you couldn't put it in Fund 48. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 MS. HARGIS: If it's going to go over $5,000, it 18 should all be under capital, just like we do. We have -- in 19 everybody's budgets in every department, we have a capital 20 budget. It's got to go over 5,000. 21 MR. KING: Okay. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Now, we did -- in previous -- in a 23 previous meeting, we had discussions to add funds for 24 building maintenance because of what we're getting into with 25 Mooney and whatnot. Did we put that in here? That is not in 104 1 here? 2 MR. McKENZIE: No. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's that again, Kirk? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: We had a request, after discussions 6 with you guys and the City, to -- to start a line item in our 7 budget that said "building maintenance." 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Because of the -- of the decision in 10 the -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: T-hangars and everything else. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, yeah, right. Because we're 13 saying, "Hey, we've got to maintain these facilities." 14 MR. WOOD: Plus if we keep the Brown hangar -- 15 MR. GRIFFIN: If we keep the Brown hangar, we're 16 going to need to put some dollars into it. 17 MR. KING: We have a reserve for that, don't we? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: No, not now. Well -- 19 MR. KING: We have $300,000. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, not as a -- let me re -- not as 21 a line item. 22 MR. KING: Not as a line item. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 24 MR. KING: I understand that. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 105 1 MR. McKENZIE: We have buildings and structures, 2 but -- 3 MR. KING: Okay. I have one -- one of the last 4 items, propane gas, what are we using propane gas for? 5 MR. McKENZIE: It's how we heat this building, and 6 it also runs the water heater. And we are hopefully -- 7 MR. KING: That is a propane heater? 8 MR. McKENZIE: The heaters in the attic are. 9 MR. KING: That was the worst idea y'all ever had, 10 I tell you what. Who sold y'all on that? Because that was 11 the worst thing -- 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Probably didn't have a gas line. 13 MR. McKENZIE: It's true. 14 MR. KING: You're paying for the most expensive -- 15 the most expensive fuel there is is propane right now. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Probably the same people that 17 decided not to put water in the snack bar. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Who designed the building? 19 MR. KING: Terrible. 20 MR. McKENZIE: It's on the plaque out there, a 21 company in Dallas. 22 MR. KING: Do you agree with that, Corey? 23 MR. WALTERS: Absolutely. 24 MR. KING: Corey has propane heat in his house. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So do I. It hurts. 106 1 MR. WALTERS: It's the most expensive energy I 2 have. 3 MR. KING: It is. I'm telling you, it is. Buck 4 and a half a gallon or something. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Plus we've got propane in the Brown 6 hangar. We paid that -- 7 MS. BAILEY: After the first of the year. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, you don't. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Well, the inside hangar -- the 10 office hangars are electric. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 12 MR. McKENZIE: The offices are electric, but 13 outside -- 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Outside. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The tenant pays that. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Not after the first of the year; they 17 didn't pay electrical. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: So, it will be 12,000 for the new 19 mower. It's going to move from where it is now down to some 20 other line -- down to 513? 21 MS. DUNGAN: Correct. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me just say, bottom line 23 is going from actual 334,000, to 425,000 proposed in total 24 expenses. That's a 30 percent increase. I think you need 25 look at some of your line items again. 107 1 MR. KING: I agree. That's what we're doing right 2 here. No one's -- I haven't taken a vote on this yet. Okay. 3 Y'all went through the first couple pages while I wasn't 4 here. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: We were just trying to keep going, 6 yes, sir. 7 MR. KING: Let's go back to the first page and look 8 at them line by line real quickly here. Start at 008, 9 professional development. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: You're on the expense side? 11 MR. KING: On the expense side, yeah. I can't 12 control the revenue; I can control the expense. That's what 13 y'all told me a long time ago. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The thing -- the revenue, you 15 increase it by 30,000. 16 MR. KING: Right, we're going to increase that by 17 30,000. Okay. And the first line, professional development, 18 was 6,000 last year, 6,000 this year. We spent 5,500, right? 19 In 2013, correct? 20 MR. WOOD: Yep. 21 MR. KING: We spent $1,259 right now. 1,259 so far 22 through half the budget. 23 MS. DUNGAN: That is for all the conferences that 24 Bruce goes to and to Roy goes to, so they will only hit once 25 those -- 108 1 MR. KING: Once those invoices come through, okay. 2 I don't have a problem with that. Professional services, 3 what do we define professional services as? Electrical 4 engineering and that, wasn't it? 5 MS. DUNGAN: Engineering, yes, sir. 6 MR. KING: Okay. 7 MS. HARGIS: Just added 8,000 to that. 8 MR. KING: We added 10,000 to that? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a 100 percent increase. 10 That's why I was challenging you, with no major projects. I 11 don't see why you're increasing it that much. 12 MS. HARGIS: Well, they already added 8,000 to it, 13 Tom. They just hired that Mr. Martin. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's this year. 15 MR. KING: That's in this year. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: That's throwing this year's budget 17 over, probably. 18 MR. WOOD: That means we're 6,000 over. 19 MR. KING: Right. 20 MR. WOOD: We had 10,000 budgeted. Right now, 21 we're going to spend 16. 22 MR. KING: So -- 23 MS. DUNGAN: Gentlemen, these numbers are as of 24 February. March is not in there, so this line item is 25 actually already over. We're into contingency. 109 1 MR. KING: Okay. 2 MS. DUNGAN: We've already exhausted that line 3 item. 4 MR. KING: After the David Martin deal? 5 MS. DUNGAN: No, before. 6 MR. WOOD: Before that. 7 MS. DUNGAN: Before. We don't have money in that 8 to pay -- 9 MR. KING: Okay. So, someone define "professional 10 services" for me. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Mechanical, electrical services, 12 architectural services, inspection, surveying, any type of 13 analysis we have to do, environmental, appraisal or design 14 services. 15 MR. KING: Okay. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: So in this year, we had the Mooney 17 survey when we took back over the property from the defunct 18 economic development guys. We had -- 19 MR. McKENZIE: The 20 acres of land. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: We got the 20 acres of land; we had 21 that survey we paid for. We had -- 22 MS. DUNGAN: Voelkel did one for us for -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: Voelkel did several for us. 24 MR. WOOD: And none of those were known about and 25 specified when we did the budget last year? 110 1 MR. McKENZIE: No. 2 MR. WOOD: Zero? 3 MR. McKENZIE: No. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: We didn't know they were going to 5 come in and give us -- 6 MR. LIVERMORE: The thing grows projects. 7 MS. DUNGAN: Then again, Ilse's budget originally 8 was 5,000. We've exhausted that with all the -- all the -- 9 MR. KING: She's on legal. 10 MS. DUNGAN: Yes, sir. We've already exhausted 11 that one, and we're now going out of professional services. 12 MR. WOOD: The question boils down to, if you can't 13 define the number like Tom's asking before you do your 14 budget, do you want to just make it zero, or do you want to 15 put in what you think you might spend? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not advocating zero; I'm 17 just saying when you increase 100 percent, there ought to be 18 some rationale. 19 MR. KING: I have to justify this at some point in 20 my life here. When you go to a meeting, they don't just go, 21 "Looks great. Have a nice day." 22 MR. WOOD: About all you can -- 23 MR. KING: There is a bit of justification in this, 24 and normally the -- the thing you look at -- what other 25 people look at is they look at what you approved in 2014, 111 1 what you spent in 2014, and what you spent in 2013. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 3 MR. KING: And so, you know, this -- this line item 4 was $18,000 in 2013. But in the -- 5 MR. WOOD: It's going to be 18,000 in 2014. 6 MR. KING: And it may be. 7 MR. WOOD: Well, it is. She said we've already 8 exceeded 10, and we know about 8 that we're going to spend 9 for David, so that's 18 thousand. 10 MR. KING: Right. Right. I would say, why don't 11 we -- why don't we set the budget at 15 on this? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I -- 13 MR. KING: At 15, and then we can always come out 14 of contingency if we have to -- or reserves. 15 MS. HARGIS: We can't come out of reserves. 16 MR. KING: We come out of something. 17 MS. HARGIS: Unless it's a health and safety thing, 18 so be careful there. 19 MR. KING: Come out of something. What can we come 20 out of? We can move -- we can move it out of something else. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can do a budget 22 adjustment. 23 MS. HARGIS: Adjustment. But you have a 5 24 percent -- 25 MR. KING: Five percent, which is -- 112 1 MR. McKENZIE: $19,000. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. Well, if we -- for example, 3 we budgeted -- I think, if I'm reading the right line, we 4 budgeted 8,900? And 84? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: No. That was -- 6 MR. LIVERMORE: No, that's '12. Wait, I'm in the 7 wrong one. 8 MR. WOOD: We budgeted 10. And we've spent -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: The current year? 10 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 11 MS. HARGIS: Already spent 8,500. 12 MR. KING: Right. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, we're going to far exceed 14 that. 15 MS. HARGIS: Right. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: By $8,000 at least. 17 MR. KING: Right. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Where are we going to get that 19 money from if we can't go into reserve? 20 MS. HARGIS: Well, I'm -- you know, it's up to the 21 County what they do, but I'm going to disagree with the 22 Commissioner here. I would much prefer that you had more 23 money in your contingency and your professional fees rather 24 than have to come back and ask me for it, 'cause I don't have 25 it once you -- once we budget. 113 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm just -- based on 2 historical, Jeannie, 100 percent increase here, 100 percent 3 increase in the other, it just doesn't make sense. 4 MS. HARGIS: In -- but if you look at the April 5 billing, this is based on -- even if you look at March, 6 they're already at 9,600. They had the $10,000 budget last 7 year. They're going to add eight to that, and they know they 8 have several projects out there. They're going to bust that 9 and their contingency this year. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I got all that. I'm just 11 asking what other projects are -- are we anticipating? 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, I think the biggest projects 13 we've got going -- and, granted, part of it's the roof at 14 Mooney, but we've got the other buildings that we're going to 15 have to deal with. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: I was just thinking the same thing. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Across the field. So, I really think 18 we've got some -- we've got some hurdles to get through, not 19 only professional services-wise, but legal-wise as we enter 20 contracts in this thing on the Brown hangar, on the potential 21 use of the paint hangar, and as well as the U-shaped hangar, 22 and the demolition -- potential demolition and taking care of 23 the old engineering building. I think we got some "gotchas" 24 out there, and how -- we've got some other things with those 25 buildings if they do get used as -- as airplane -- 114 1 aviation-related businesses, where we got -- where we've got 2 to build new taxiways, roadways, gates, all the stuff across 3 the way over there. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: New taxiways? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: If -- if we were to take the paint 6 hangar and somebody were to lease it as an aircraft storage, 7 we would have to recondition and build new taxiways, 8 potentially. 9 MR. McKENZIE: We would. The runway over there now 10 is gone. It's defunct. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. So, those are the projects 12 that we've got in front of us, Tom. I don't know -- I don't 13 know how we protect for it, not knowing what they're going to 14 be yet. But I understand where some of this came from, 15 and -- but I also understand your concerns. 16 MR. KING: We can always come back to the 17 Commissioners -- Jeannie, we can always come back to 18 Commissioners Court and Council and ask for -- to take some 19 money out of reserve. 20 MS. HARGIS: Well, the reserve -- 21 MR. WALTERS: I agree with -- I agree with you. I 22 think out of all these items, I think professional services 23 is one line item I think that's hard to define and predict 24 the future. And when I saw Bruce's amount of $20,000, based 25 on what I know, I personally didn't have a problem with it. 115 1 MR. LIVERMORE: I didn't either. 2 MR. WOOD: I think we can spend it. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: I think we -- 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Whether we want to or not. 5 MS. HARGIS: Well, let me go -- 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Exactly, Corey. Yes. 7 MS. HARGIS: Let me go over reserve, Corey, so you 8 understand. Reserve, under the law in the state of Texas, is 9 to be used for health and safety of the -- of the community. 10 So, just because you needed to hire an engineer because of a 11 roof, it might not necessarily be health and safety; 12 therefore, you cannot use your reserve. You're limited using 13 your reserve based on -- on our laws. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: And I think Corey's in violent 15 agreement with you. 16 MR. WALTERS: Exactly. 17 MS. HARGIS: So that's what I'm concerned about. 18 MR. WALTERS: I feel like we ought to keep it at 19 20,000. 20 MR. KING: Okay. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Jeannie, how -- we have a nice 22 reserve right now, and I think it's 400,000, something like 23 that. Do -- 24 MR. McKENZIE: 300,000. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: I -- 116 1 MS. HARGIS: You still have six months to go. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. Anyway, if we wanted to move 3 some of that reserve into this budget for some of these 4 items, is that -- I mean, how do you ever use reserve? 5 MS. HARGIS: Yes, you can budget reserve. You can 6 budget reserve. That's the best way to use reserve, is to 7 budget reserve. So, if you would rather we reduce -- I mean, 8 you've still got your costs there, but if you want to reduce 9 your revenue from other sources and use your reserve, you can 10 do that. You can only do that now. So, if you wanted to 11 budget reserve of 20,000, now's the time to do that. 12 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: I don't think we want to reduce our 14 income from other sources. It may be that we might need to 15 pull some of that reserve in to fund certain expenses. 16 MS. HARGIS: You could put a line item to budget 17 reserve revenue, and budget reserve to spend. 18 MR. KING: But you're going to reduce the -- the 19 easiest way to do it is you reduce the input from the County 20 and the City. You can't budget reserve and then ask 21 everybody for more money. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: We're not asking for more; we're 23 asking for less. 24 MR. KING: Keep the same income. Keep the same 25 income. You can't budget reserve, 20,000 into the budget, 117 1 and ask everybody for the same -- 2 MS. HARGIS: Well, some people -- some people do 3 budget reserve as a -- for instance, this has been a year 4 where you have a lot of things that you haven't counted on, 5 and I foresee -- just listening to y'all, I haven't been here 6 as much, but knowing I've been around this about nine years 7 now -- as long as you have, Steve -- that some years are 8 good; some years are not. The economy is beginning to grow 9 here. That means that more people are going to be coming not 10 only here, but everywhere else, so therefore, you have to 11 prepare for that. So, as an offset to being able to have to 12 worry about using the reserve, because you probably don't 13 have a health and safety reason to use the reserve in this 14 particular case, and you're also a profit-making entity, so 15 there's another little problem there, I would suggest that 16 you think about 20,000 in reserve -- 20,000 to spend. You 17 don't have to use it, but then you don't have to come back 18 and ask for it. It's something to think about for the 19 future. 20 MR. KING: So, where does it go? 21 MR. LIVERMORE: That was the next question. 22 MR. KING: Where does it go in the budget? 23 MS. HARGIS: You have to add a line item for the 24 use of reserve. 25 MR. KING: Okay. 118 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the way to do it. 2 MR. KING: That would be the way to do it. That's 3 the way to do it. 4 MS. HARGIS: Then you have your emergency planned. 5 MR. KING: Yeah. 6 MS. HARGIS: You don't have to worry about it if a 7 truck goes down or something goes down; you've got it. 8 MR. KING: Yeah. I think that's -- would you agree 9 with that? 10 MR. WOOD: What should that number be? Is that -- 11 we're not taking the 20,000 from here. 12 MS. HARGIS: No, we're adding -- 13 MR. LIVERMORE: We're adding an emergency 14 contingency or whatever you call it. 15 MS. HARGIS: Revenue expenditures, you want a 16 revenue coming in and expenditure going out; therefore, 17 you're crossing. You just have to -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm just saying, what's the 19 line item name? 20 MS. HARGIS: It's called -- it's reserve. 21 MR. KING: But it does increase the budget. 22 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you can decrease it from 24 other things and keep the total of less than what you have. 25 MR. KING: Right. 119 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Another question on -- on 2 revenue. There isn't anything in here for the paint hangar. 3 MR. KING: No, not yet, 'cause I really don't -- we 4 have a proposal -- we have a proposal that we're going to 5 discuss, but I don't -- just don't know that that's -- I 6 don't know that it's anything concrete yet. 7 MS. BAILEY: Realistically, it takes several months 8 to get that accomplished. Got to make the proposal and the 9 lease. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're talking about October 11 1st, so you're six months away. 12 MS. BAILEY: Well, but if you take six months to 13 get it done, then there's only two months -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're not going to take four 15 months with Monty, 'cause he's going to -- 16 MR. KING: I will tell you, the proposed revenue is 17 not that great. We're only talking -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's more than zero. 19 MR. KING: It is more than zero. It is more than 20 zero, but, I mean, we can -- 21 MS. HARGIS: I'm a little concerned here -- 22 MR. KING: I would put the budget -- I would put 23 the Brinkman hangar in there. I don't have a problem putting 24 that in there. That paint hangar, I don't -- I'm a little 25 bit nervous about putting anything -- 120 1 MS. HARGIS: You haven't even gotten to the point 2 where you even know you can use the hangar. 3 MR. KING: Yeah. 4 MS. HARGIS: To the Brinkman hangar -- 5 MR. WALTERS: I agree with you, Steve. I don't 6 think I'd put anything in the 2015 budget for the paint 7 hangar. 8 MR. KING: I don't know; we may have an expenditure 9 on that. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Only reason I'm bringing these 11 things up is just conservatism. 12 MR. KING: I understand. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not arguing the details. 14 I'm just saying -- 15 MR. KING: I don't have a problem. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I hate to -- you know, 17 sometimes you have to reach to make your budget. If you make 18 it so fat that you're fat, then -- 19 MR. KING: I agree with you 100 percent. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- you do not reach it. 21 MR. KING: When I look at our budget -- and we were 22 under by $50,000 last year. The way I look at it is we 23 misappropriated our budget. We should have put -- we had -- 24 if we're having to move stuff around in our budget to get to 25 where we need to be, then we probably didn't have money in 121 1 the right place, 'cause we ended up $50,000 to the good -- to 2 the good of the whole thing. And, I mean, I don't -- I don't 3 see how you can end up $50,000 to the good, and then increase 4 your budget by $100,000, or overall net of $100,000. It's 5 just -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's where I am. 7 MR. KING: I've been on this board for nine years. 8 I've been here when the budget was 400,000, 500,000, 600,000. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 600,000. 10 MR. KING: Stuff like that, and I really don't plan 11 to be a part of it when it's at that level again, unless 12 there's something going on out here that I'm -- that I don't 13 know about as far as building -- giant construction or 14 something like that, or we have more income coming in. I 15 just don't -- I think the incremental income that we're 16 receiving from these buildings -- I mean, you look at Mooney. 17 We're not going to receive a nickel more than we have in the 18 last 20 years. We're not -- we're not -- you know, any money 19 we're spending, we're not getting any more money back, so 20 there's no incremental income over there. There is income 21 off the Brinkman hangar; that's really the only thing 22 we've -- asset that we've increased the revenue on, and it's 23 the Brinkman hangar and the T-hangars. And the T-hangars, 24 you know, we pretty much know that was a good investment. 25 But I don't really -- you know, if I'm going to put 122 1 $20,000 down here under professional services, I'm going to 2 find another place in here to take it out of here, because 3 there is somewhere in here that I know it can be taken out of 4 here. I just -- I'm not convinced that we are spending more 5 money out here for the good, 'cause I just don't think we 6 need to be, you know? That's just my opinion. Okay. We go 7 to -- we go to -- for right now, we're going to leave that at 8 20,000, and we're going to discuss how that relates to the 9 reserve here in a minute. Office supplies, $1,500. It was 10 1,400 in 2013. We spent 606; we have $894 left. And we 11 increased the budget by 174. What was the justification for 12 that? 13 MS. DUNGAN: Mainly, we're using it for more color 14 copies and stuff like that, so we're using a lot more of 15 those supplies. And remember, this is February numbers, not 16 March's, so it's -- 17 MR. KING: I see -- under equipment rental over 18 here, I see, "included $700 for more color copies." 19 MS. DUNGAN: Right, for the paper and everything. 20 MR. KING: But we were under -- we were under by 21 $894. I don't see why we need more money there. 1,500 22 bucks. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Okay, back to 1,500. 24 MR. KING: Sold. 25 MR. McKENZIE: That's fine. 123 1 MR. KING: Do you have any questions or anything? 2 Anybody have any objections to any of these unilateral 3 decisions I'm making? 4 MR. LIVERMORE: We're afraid to. We're afraid to 5 object, Mr. Czar. 6 MR. KING: I just think you got to -- there's 7 places in here you can cut the budget. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 9 MR. KING: It's easy to go up; it's hard to go 10 down. Small tools and equipment, that's the mower. Jeannie, 11 are you in agreement that we need to move the mower? 12 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 13 MR. KING: So we're moving the mower, so small 14 tools and equipment -- 15 MS. HARGIS: 3,000. 16 MR. KING: 3,000. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Which was the same thing as -- 18 that's about what we've spent. 19 MR. KING: Right, and then we spent -- we got 1,200 20 left in '14. We spent 3,000 a couple years ago. I think 21 that probably suffices. Chemical and medical supplies, 4,000 22 bucks. It was 4,000 last year. 23 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: But we've actually spent 522. 25 MR. KING: We spent how much? Oh, that was 124 1 actually spent in 2013. 2 MR. WOOD: We spent zero. 3 MR. KING: We spent zero this year. 4 MR. KING: I haven't bought Roundup or any 5 herbicide this year yet. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: 'Cause it hasn't rained. 7 MR. McKENZIE: We haven't had that. 8 MR. WOOD: 4,000 is the highest we've ever spent in 9 there. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, back in 2010. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: That was a wet year. 12 MR. McKENZIE: And that also has to do with our AED 13 that's hanging up there. Carole just bought new -- some 14 apparatus that went in there that -- that goes in this as 15 well. 16 MS. BAILEY: Defibrillator. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Defibrillator. 18 MR. KING: Medical supplies. Did y'all already pay 19 for that? Is it in here? How much? 20 MR. McKENZIE: It's not reflected in here. 21 MR. KING: How much was it, ballpark? 22 MS. DUNGAN: About $500. 23 MR. KING: Okay. 24 MS. DUNGAN: We had to get a new battery and two 25 new pads. 125 1 MR. KING: Anybody have any objection to moving 2 that to $2,000? Until we actually spend some money out of 3 that line item, other than $500? 4 MR. McKENZIE: That's fine. 5 MR. KING: Questions, anybody? 6 MR. LIVERMORE: That's okay. 7 MR. KING: Is that okay? It just seems we haven't 8 spent -- 9 MR. WOOD: Seems reasonable. 10 MR. KING: We spent $500 two years ago, spent $500 11 this year so far. 2,000. Fuel and oil supplies, 5,500. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: That was a similar thing. 13 MR. WOOD: What is that for? 14 MR. KING: What is that for? Mowers? 15 MR. McKENZIE: That's for Roy's pickup, my pickup, 16 and all of the mowers that we use, and weedeaters and 17 chainsaws. 18 MR. KING: Y'all only spent $475 on gas? Y'all are 19 good. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Well, because it hasn't rained this 21 year, and the mowing season is just now getting here. 22 MR. KING: Okay. 23 MR. McKENZIE: We'll spend it from now to October. 24 We just put our second employee on -- seasonal employee on 25 last week, so mowing needs to be done. 126 1 MR. LIVERMORE: So, you've actually spent last -- 2 last year $3,500? 3 MR. KING: $3,500. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 5 MR. KING: Then this year you've got 55. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 7 MR. KING: You have spent 475. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Correct. 9 MR. KING: And the mowing season is just starting, 10 but that's just our lawnmowers and stuff like that. 11 MR. McKENZIE: And two pickups. 12 MS. HARGIS: That can't be. Surely you've spent 13 more than $475. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Not since October. 15 MR. KING: You got hybrids or something? 16 MR. McKENZIE: Well, I don't -- 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Must use push mowers. 18 MS. HARGIS: The year-to-date number is 1,266.28. 19 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: The what? 21 MS. HARGIS: 1,266.28. That's through March. 22 MR. KING: Okay, not 475. Okay. Well, why don't 23 we drop that to 4,000? 4,500? What do y'all think? 24 Somebody give me some input here. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, it was 4,600 -- 4,500 in '12. 127 1 MR. KING: One time. And it was 36. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Where do you think the price of gas 3 is going? 4 MR. KING: I don't know. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Compared to '12, it probably 6 is not -- '12 was high. 7 MR. KING: '12 was what? 8 MS. BAILEY: High price. 9 MR. KING: That was pretty high gas. 10 MR. WOOD: I think 45 would be reasonable, don't 11 you? 12 MR. KING: We'll try 45. All right. Food 13 supplies, nothing. 14 MR. WOOD: How about zero? 15 MR. KING: Janitorial supplies, $2,200 budgeted. 16 We spent $1,300 -- no, we spent -- I don't know how much we 17 spent. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: 800. 19 MR. KING: 800. 20 MR. WOOD: We've been averaging 2,000. 21 MR. KING: About -- averaging about two grand. 22 MS. HARGIS: Janitorial, 973. 23 MR. ROBLES: If y'all still have your packets, you 24 can follow along with the line items and see where we're at. 25 MR. KING: Oh, really? That's where you're getting 128 1 that stuff from, okay. Good for you. 2 MR. ROBLES: Current year-to-date. 3 MR. KING: Okay. $2,000. How's that, guys? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Janitorial supplies, 2,000. 5 MR. KING: See how that works for a year or so. 6 Okay, postage. $500? The price of a stamp went up one 7 penny, didn't it? We spent $300 -- we approved $300 last 8 year. We spent 186 in 2013. How much have we spent so far? 9 MR. LIVERMORE: 234. I can't -- 10 MR. GRIFFIN: 234. 11 MR. KING: What do you think? Including $200 -- 12 "includes $200/over for 2014." What's that mean? 13 MS. DUNGAN: A lot of what we send is TexDOT's -- 14 MR. KING: Right. 15 MS. DUNGAN: -- things are sent Fed Ex, and so 16 you're talking $25 every time we send them. So -- 17 MR. KING: Sure. 18 MS. DUNGAN: So, we tend to go over, and that's 19 where we put the increase in to cover that. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: And the way we're going to work the 21 graphs -- 22 MR. KING: I can live with that. I'm living with 23 that. Computer software, 1,000 bucks. We have 1,000 24 remaining. We spent 237 in '13. We approved 1,000. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the computer software 129 1 update? 2 MR. LIVERMORE: We haven't spent -- 3 MR. McKENZIE: Quite honestly, Tom, we never know 4 if we're going to need an update. If John Trolinger says we 5 need to update something, that's an arbitrary number. It's a 6 good way -- an arbitrary number. I put that in there -- I 7 put that in there myself just to cover anything I.T.-wise 8 that we would need in the office. That's what that's for. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't you call John and 10 ask him what his thought is? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He may have it covered in his 13 budget. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 15 MR. KING: I don't know -- 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Who is John? Is that -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The I.T. guy for the county. 18 MR. KING: Ask him what he thinks. Wearing 19 apparel. $2,000 for wearing apparel? That must be the 20 uniforms. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Anyway, back on computer 22 software, if nothing else, I wouldn't put over 500, unless -- 23 maybe zero. 24 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. Do you want to put 500 in? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: John has it covered under his 130 1 budget. 2 MR. KING: Put 500, unless John tells you something 3 different. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 5 MR. KING: Then you can -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: All right. 7 MR. KING: You can take action there. Okay, 8 wearing apparel. $2,000 budgeted. We've spent -- 9 MR. GRIFFIN: 1,118. 10 MR. KING: 1,118 halfway through the year? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 12 MS. DUNGAN: Now, that will increase because we now 13 have a part-timer. 14 MR. KING: I got you. I'm not going to change it. 15 All right, that sounds okay to me. Mowing. The mowing, who 16 knows? 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Can you believe the weather liars? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but look at historical: 19 22, 29, 25, 31. And you jump, and then actual was 22, so you 20 jumped 100 percent over. 21 MR. KING: I'm a firm believer it's never going to 22 rain again. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you're really high 24 there. 25 MR. KING: I think it's never going to rain. 131 1 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd take 10 grand -- 2 MR. WOOD: What's the basis -- 3 MR. McKENZIE: It's $7,500 a mowing cycle. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Look at historical, guys. 5 MR. KING: I agree. What do you think, Corey? 6 MR. WALTERS: I think we ought to take 10,000 off. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Carole was just saying we need to 8 make -- whatever we leave in there, it needs to be divisible 9 by 7,500. That's the amount of each mowing. 10 MR. McKENZIE: That's six mowing cycles we've got 11 plugged in there, so you want to take one mowing cycle out? 12 Or two? We've already done two this year. That will leave 13 us -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What is your criteria on when 15 you have to mow? 16 MR. McKENZIE: When it looks like -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Height? 18 MR. McKENZIE: I make the determination if it looks 19 like it's too high. There's red fox which we have out here, 20 or raccoons are out here and possum. If it gets too high 21 where I can't see and it gives them cover, that's when we 22 mow. If it aesthetically looks bad, then I might. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, do you have a height 24 criteria? 25 MR. McKENZIE: It's my judgment call. 132 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do you have a height criteria? 2 MR. McKENZIE: It's my judgment call. I don't go 3 out there with a ruler and measure it. If it looks -- starts 4 to look bad, then I mow. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: When he sees little eyes looking 6 back at him out of the bushes. 7 MR. McKENZIE: I do that when I've got to come out 8 here. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm with Corey; reduce it 10 about 10,000. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd take a mowing out. 12 MR. WOOD: Take 7,500. 13 MR. McKENZIE: 7,500 out? We've got six cycles 14 now; that will leave us five cycles. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: I believe that leaves 36 or 37. 16 MR. McKENZIE: 37,5. 17 MR. KING: Try that one, Tom. 37 what? 18 MR. McKENZIE: 37,5. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: 37,5. 20 MR. KING: Give that a ride. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 22 MR. KING: Buildings and structures. What in the 23 world -- what does this cover? Is this for fixing up 24 buildings? 25 MR. McKENZIE: And structures. Building repairs, 133 1 gate maintenance, air conditioning maintenance, pest control, 2 floodlights, fire alarm repair, et cetera, et cetera. 3 Sprinklers and so on. 4 MR. KING: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that the thing that Kirk 6 was talking about a while ago? Which I think is really 7 important. 8 MR. KING: I really wouldn't touch this right now. 9 I'm afraid we may spend that here. We can -- is that what we 10 can spend to, like -- like, what do we -- I know the County 11 and City are probably going to ask -- if we had to pay for 12 consultants, Corey? I think they're going to probably ask us 13 to pay for that, some of the initial stuff. 14 MR. WALTERS: I was going to wait and bring that up 15 when we got finished with the budget. That's really a 16 question for the City and the County, is we have to pay for a 17 consultant on this Mooney roof. And I realize we're talking 18 about a few thousand this budget year, but if we do have to 19 pay for somebody, my question is, do we need to have that 20 consultant paid out of our budget, or can we add it to the 21 cost of the roof -- 22 MR. KING: Of the job. 23 MR. WALTERS: -- that the City and County are going 24 to pay for? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a good question. 134 1 MR. KING: That's a legitimate question. I don't 2 know. That's a -- I mean, I think -- I think the thinking 3 was if we hired a consultant, and then we basically fired 4 him, you know, when he finished his work, maybe we would pay 5 for that. But after talking to you, a consultant is going to 6 follow through the whole job. 7 MR. WOOD: That's a part of the roof. 8 MR. KING: I think he's part of the roof now. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, I agree. 10 MR. KING: You know? So, I think that's -- 11 MR. WOOD: It's an off-budget item. 12 MR. KING: I don't think we'll put anything in 13 there for that, but I'm in agreement. I think this $15,000 14 is probably not unreasonable, in that we're probably going to 15 have to spend some money on some of these buildings. We've 16 talked about spending money on some of these. The Brinkman 17 hangar would be the first one that comes to mind. We know we 18 already have -- the door's got to be fixed; something on the 19 door -- something broke on it already. And he's -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The T-hangars are getting 21 older. 22 MR. KING: We're going to have some stuff we're 23 going to have to spend money on, especially on that Brinkman 24 hangar. 25 MR. WOOD: As we own -- 135 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that's the -- 2 MR. KING: Kirk brought up something -- 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Where do we put that? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. It's probably 5 overlooked, and probably significant. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Could be significant, yeah. 7 MR. WOOD: As we own -- 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Need to start protecting ourselves a 9 little. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. 11 MR. WOOD: As we own more income-producing things, 12 our expenses are going to go up. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. I wouldn't cut that 15 any. 16 MR. KING: Okay. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Vehicle maintenance. Is that where 18 we are? 19 MR. KING: Yeah, vehicle maintenance. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: What was the -- what was the 20 -- or 21 the $3,800 a couple years ago that jacked that one up? Do 22 you guys remember? 23 MR. McKENZIE: I don't remember off the top of my 24 head. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: I know what you were trying to do. 136 1 We had a $4,000 expense, and then the next year, you're 2 trying to make sure we cover -- 3 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd cut that one to $3,000. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Trying to make sure we're covered. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 6 MR. KING: You cut it to three? 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 8 MR. WOOD: Why three? You've got zero, 667 -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Just trying to choose a number 10 here. 11 MR. WOOD: 524. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: We spent 652 to-date this year. 13 MR. WOOD: How about $1,000 or 1,500? 14 MR. GRIFFIN: Cut it in half, or 1,500? 15 MR. KING: Let's drop it to 1,500. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: 1,500? 17 MR. KING: Yeah. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 19 MR. KING: Okay. Office equipment, 1,500 last year 20 budgeted. We've spent -- I don't know. What's that number? 21 MR. GRIFFIN: We've spent -- that's what we've 22 spent this year. 23 MR. KING: We spent how much? 24 MR. GRIFFIN: We spent 1,000 last year. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: We've spent -- 137 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Spent 200 this year. 2 MR. KING: 200? 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Just under. 4 MR. KING: So, what do y'all got in mind for -- you 5 got any plans for spending money on equipment? 6 MR. McKENZIE: No, sir. 7 MR. KING: Office equipment? What do y'all think? 8 MR. WOOD: Make it 1,000. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Make it 1,000. 10 MR. KING: I think that's generous. Don't you 11 think? 12 MR. WOOD: Well, looking at history. 13 MR. KING: Instruments and apparatus, we budgeted 14 7,000. We spent 6,000 -- 15 MR. LIVERMORE: Wait a minute. You said -- you're 16 talking about office equipment to go to 1,000? 17 MR. KING: Yeah. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, we've spent -- 19 MR. GRIFFIN: 172. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: -- 172 this year, but look at the 21 history. 1,500, 1,800, 1,700. 22 MR. KING: Yeah. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: That year was 800, for some reason. 24 MR. KING: 900. I think all that equipment we have 25 already now. 138 1 MR. McKENZIE: We can put it -- 2 MR. KING: Do you got anything else you bought? Is 3 that maintenance of office equipment? 4 MR. McKENZIE: We can cut it down to 1,000 if you'd 5 like to, or 750. 6 MR. KING: How about 1,000? 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 8 MR. KING: Please be aware that, you know, if we're 9 wrong on a bunch of this, we'll adjust it next year, and 10 we'll have some money in our reserves. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: We can't get at it if we don't 12 budget it. 13 MR. KING: We'll budget some reserves. 14 MR. WOOD: That's the way to handle that. 15 MR. KING: Instruments and apparatus, 7,000 16 budgeted. We've spent -- I don't know. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Two. 18 MR. KING: 2,000, okay. What does that cover, 19 Bruce? 'Cause we've had some big expenses in this in the 20 past. Covers new windsocks, repairs of the electronic X's, 21 VHF radio repairs, which I've got to repair the UNICOM at 22 certain times. 23 MR. KING: Okay. 24 MR. McKENZIE: AWOS maintenance, things like that. 25 MR. KING: What about your X's? I thought you told 139 1 me you -- 2 MR. McKENZIE: I just ordered new X's last week. 3 MR. KING: How much? 4 MR. McKENZIE: $33,000. 5 MR. KING: Where are those budgeted? 6 MR. McKENZIE: It was the RAMP grant. 7 MR. KING: This year? 8 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 9 MR. KING: Okay. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: This is maintenance. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Everything you just said that comes 12 out of this is something about aircraft operations. 13 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct, safety. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: I think you better leave it alone. 15 MR. WOOD: Hope it's enough. 16 MR. KING: Okay. We've never -- well, we've -- one 17 year we went over, another year -- two years, okay. Traffic 18 control devices/runways. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: We're down to -- 20 MR. KING: Repairs, general. That's a general 21 repair. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: Things you don't know about. 23 MR. KING: Yeah. 24 MS. BAILEY: Put that in the budget reserves. 25 MR. McKENZIE: Perhaps. 140 1 MR. KING: Do what? 2 MR. McKENZIE: Put it in there as a catch-all if I 3 need to do something today. 4 MS. BAILEY: Put it in budget reserve; you can just 5 put it in. 6 MR. KING: Maybe we just put in -- 7 MR. WOOD: I think we ought to check all these 8 items that are sort of like that, and then use that to come 9 up with your budget reserve amount. 10 MR. KING: I think we just reduce it a little bit. 11 We've only spent money on it in two years to speak of. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you've got repairs a lot 13 of other places. 14 MS. DUNGAN: But that's also one of those things 15 where we have to maintain the fire alarm, and if it goes 16 down, that's $2,200. 17 MR. KING: Is it really? For what? 18 MS. DUNGAN: If that fire alarm box goes down. 19 MR. McKENZIE: If it craters. 20 MR. KING: Craters. 21 MS. DUNGAN: Yeah, that's where that happened. 22 MS. BAILEY: A lightning strike or something. 23 MS. DUNGAN: Exactly. 24 MR. KING: That's what that 2,431 was last year. 25 MR. WOOD: But here again, that's a good thing to 141 1 cover with budget reserves, one that you don't know whether 2 it'll happen or not. 3 MR. KING: Yeah. Let's just drop it to 1,500; then 4 we'll at least cover all of it it but $700 in case it blows 5 up. How's that? 6 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. 7 MR. KING: All right, here we go. Corey, if you 8 have any comments on any of these, you just feel free. 9 Contract services, nothing. Property insurance. 10 MS. DUNGAN: I checked with both the City and the 11 County, and those numbers were good numbers. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What are those? 13 MS. DUNGAN: Insurance policies. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: We're under the county program, 15 aren't we? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One is county -- 17 MR. McKENZIE: County covers -- 18 MR. ROBLES: We cover the property. 19 MR. McKENZIE: -- property, and City covers the 20 liability. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay. 22 MR. KING: And what about -- okay. And so those 23 are two numbers we're getting from the County. 24 MS. BAILEY: Okay. 25 MR. KING: So if they're wrong, it's y'all's fault. 142 1 Special services. 2 MS. DUNGAN: There's nothing there. 3 MR. KING: Nothing there. Equipment rental. Okay, 4 what's this for? 5 MR. McKENZIE: To lease the propane tank. To lease 6 the Culligan water -- 7 MR. KING: Okay. 8 MR. McKENZIE: -- dispenser I've got out there for 9 Roy so he'll have drinking water. 10 MR. KING: Right. 11 MR. McKENZIE: The postage machine rental we have 12 here on Carole's desk. 13 MR. KING: Yes. 14 MS. DUNGAN: The copier. 15 MR. McKENZIE: Xerox copying machine, things like 16 that. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 18 MR. KING: Okay. So, we went up -- we went up $700 19 for -- what's that say, 700 includes color copies? Y'all 20 going to get a color copier? 21 MS. DUNGAN: It is. We're just spending a lot of 22 money. 23 MR. KING: Oh. 24 MS. HARGIS: If you want to go back to -- 25 MR. KING: Did y'all buy it or rent it? 143 1 MS. DUNGAN: Rent it. 2 MS. HARGIS: Rent it. 800-203, you asked what that 3 3,895 was. 4 MR. KING: Mm-hmm. 5 MS. HARGIS: That was tires, and we needed to buy a 6 light bar, so that -- that was probably -- 7 MR. GRIFFIN: So if we end up purchasing a new 8 vehicle that has a similar kind of -- 9 MS. DUNGAN: Right. $1,400 for a light bar. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, we hope. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Hopefully. 12 MR. KING: Okay. Okay. So, the -- we're back at 13 the equipment rental. So, we rent most of this equipment? 14 We don't buy it? How much does a color copier cost? 15 MR. McKENZIE: The copy machine we rent? 16 MR. KING: How much does that cost? 17 MS. DUNGAN: Oh. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: One with that capability, probably 19 two grand. 20 MS. BAILEY: Usually leasing is better, because 21 they become obsolete so quickly. 22 MR. KING: They'll fix it? 23 MS. DUNGAN: Yeah. 24 MS. HARGIS: They're actually cheaper now. We're 25 getting them for -- because they're on Buy Board, and they're 144 1 on the group deals, so now we're getting them at a really 2 good price. I think I got mine for $104 a month. 3 MR. KING: Really? 4 MS. HARGIS: And then you pay for the toner. The 5 problem is the color ink, is -- is the deal. So -- and they 6 don't have a lot of printers they use that one, so it's still 7 cheaper to use that than a bunch of printers. 8 MR. KING: All right. So, y'all think 700 is 9 justified? Okay. Advertising? I assume this is to 10 advertise the -- 11 MR. LIVERMORE: It says here for part-time and new 12 board member. Is one of us going away? 13 MR. McKENZIE: We advertise for -- go ahead, 14 Carole. 15 MS. DUNGAN: Sorry, Bruce. When we had to 16 advertise for Kirk, when we had to advertise for Brinkman, 17 and so for the last two years, that $300 we had budgeted, we 18 busted that, so I doubled it just to make sure. And we had 19 to advertise for our part-timer this year. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: If we have to -- 21 MS. DUNGAN: That was $100-something. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: We can put it against a project, but 23 if we have to send an RFP out and that kind of stuff, 24 that's -- 25 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. 145 1 MR. GRIFFIN: We're going to have to advertise that 2 stuff. So -- 3 MS. HARGIS: It's expensive. 4 MS. DUNGAN: Yes. 5 MS. HARGIS: You have to have an affidavit. 6 MR. KING: Okay. So, we think that's okay? 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm, sounds like it is. 8 MR. KING: Okay. We go down here to legal 9 services. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Legal. 11 MR. KING: 10,000. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: The Brown hangar is costing us 13 dearly. Our free property cost us dearly. 14 MR. KING: How much have we spent so far this year? 15 MR. LIVERMORE: Five grand. 16 MR. WOOD: More than that. 17 MR. McKENZIE: More than that. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, you're over here, this other 19 sheet. 20 MS. BAILEY: 49. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: It says 4,931 here, but I don't 22 know about over here. 23 MS. DUNGAN: The skilled services, another 1,500. 24 MS. BAILEY: And that doesn't include this last 25 month. 146 1 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. That doesn't 2 include the last -- 3 MR. LIVERMORE: I'd leave that one alone. 4 MS. BAILEY: We busted the budget already. 5 MR. WOOD: As much as we got on the plate. 6 MR. KING: Phone service. 7 MR. WALTERS: Something to think about as far as 8 the legal services, I mean, it's down to -- we've really 9 dealt with two big things in 2014, two big leases, the Mooney 10 and Brinkman hangar, which probably in 2015, we won't be. 11 MR. KING: Yeah. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 13 MR. WALTERS: I'm not suggesting we make any 14 changes; I'm just saying that, you know, whatever -- our 15 legal expense in 2015, you know, might very well be less. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: I agree, Corey, adamantly. I think, 17 yeah, it's just how much less we've -- we potentially got the 18 properties across the airport that we're going to try to 19 lease, but we've got to get -- but hopefully those are -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Those will be this year. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, and hopefully they're not the 22 problem that the Brown hangar has turned into. 23 MR. WALTERS: Right. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You got to close those out 25 this year. 147 1 MR. KING: The Mooney lease will be closed out. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Well -- 4 MR. KING: How about eight? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: How much? Eight? 6 MR. KING: Hey, sorry. Ilse took a $2,000 loss. 7 MS. BAILEY: I'm wounded. 8 MR. WOOD: Back to beans. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Beans and rice. 10 MS. BAILEY: Little chicken thrown in. 11 MR. KING: Phone service, cell phones. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many cell phones are 13 there? 14 MR. KING: I've got one. Just kidding. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just you? 16 MR. LIVERMORE: We all have them. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Just one. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Roy has a cell phone? 19 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 20 MR. KING: Heck, yeah. He's all over this airport. 21 Need to find him somehow. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He can't use a walkie-talkie? 23 MS. DUNGAN: We actually have one for the 24 part-timer also. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One for the part-timer also? 148 1 goodness. 2 MR. McKENZIE: We might -- 3 MR. WOOD: Can't you get the family plan? Second 4 phone is cheaper? 5 MR. McKENZIE: Actually, my phone, I don't -- I 6 don't do the airport -- I mean, I own my own phone. 7 MR. KING: What kind of -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're not in here? So -- so 9 this is not -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: I don't ask for my phone to -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, for Roy, it's $900? 12 MR. KING: What kind of deal does he work? Still 13 have one for you? 14 MR. McKENZIE: I have my phone, but I'm on the 15 county's plan. I mean, the plan we have to pay for that. 16 But for as my -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But is it your phone? 18 MR. KING: Why don't we offer Roy -- just give him 19 money? He uses it unlimitedly or what? 20 MR. McKENZIE: It's unlimited minutes on the phone. 21 MR. KING: Is he on his own plan or on the county 22 plan or what? 23 MR. McKENZIE: On the county plan. He has his own 24 personal cellphone, and then we give him an airport phone. 25 MR. KING: What's he do about that? 149 1 MR. McKENZIE: When I call him or Carole calls 2 him -- 3 MR. KING: Unlimited minutes on that? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Far as I know, it is, Steve. 5 MR. KING: Wonder which one he uses more, ours or 6 his. 7 MR. McKENZIE: West Star Wireless or whatever the 8 County's on. 9 MR. WOOD: West Central Wireless. That's what I'm 10 on. 11 MR. McKENZIE: I think that's what it is, West 12 Central. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it used for business only? 14 MS. DUNGAN: Yes, he uses it just for business, 15 because I have both of them. 16 MR. McKENZIE: What he does on the weekend with it, 17 Tom, I don't know. 18 MR. KING: How much is that? Why don't you find 19 that -- why don't we just give him a stipend? 20 MS. HARGIS: Guys, it's only $59 a month. 21 MR. KING: $15? 22 MS. HARGIS: 59. 23 MR. KING: A month? 24 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 25 MR. KING: How much is this? Can we -- why don't 150 1 we -- why don't we consider giving him a stipend instead, and 2 let him use his own phone? 3 MR. WOOD: So, $60 would be 720 a year. 4 MS. HARGIS: We run into I.R.S. problems with that. 5 MR. KING: Really? Giving stipends? 6 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. You have to count it as their 7 income. 8 MR. KING: Oh, yeah, I know. 9 MR. McKENZIE: Got to pay taxes on it. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Have to depreciate a cell phone. 11 MS. HARGIS: We have a pretty good plan if they're 12 on ours. It's, like, $10 for a phone, but then you got to 13 pay -- you guys have been going over some of the minutes, so 14 then you have to -- they -- we charge back. So, I have to 15 look -- I'd have to look and see what -- actually look at the 16 phone bill, 'cause it's broken down by department, to see 17 exactly. 18 MR. WOOD: Well, it would be 720 base, and then 19 whatever extras you have. I can see where it would be 900. 20 MR. KING: Okay. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, but 900 also includes 22 Bruce's, doesn't it? 23 MR. McKENZIE: Yes. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: On top of the other guy. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: What's the difference between the 401 151 1 and the 402 line items? 2 MS. HARGIS: I don't know. They didn't use the 3 402. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 402 is gone. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: That's what I was wondering. Do we 6 scratch it? 7 MR. McKENZIE: Can we knock it out, Jeannie? 8 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, as long as it doesn't have any 9 activity within the last -- 10 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah. 11 MR. KING: All right. Water and sewer. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Let's cut down on the water out 13 here. 14 MS. DUNGAN: You don't want to water the plants? 15 MR. LIVERMORE: I don't even want to run -- I want 16 to cut down on the sewer, too. 17 MR. KING: Y'all went to 1,000 from 750. Are y'all 18 anticipating an increase, more watering? 19 MR. McKENZIE: May have to, Steve. 20 MR. KING: That's fine. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: We're down in light and power. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, you're on 405, internet 23 provider. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, internet. Missed that one. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's $600 for Roy? 152 1 MS. DUNGAN: No, we just increased it by $100, 2 because we added internet up there in the shop for him. 3 MR. McKENZIE: That's us. That's us and that 4 building up there. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what's he use internet 6 for? 7 MR. McKENZIE: He orders parts for all his 8 equipment. He orders lights. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see, okay. 10 MS. HARGIS: I don't think they need anything 11 there, though, because the internet -- I don't know why you 12 have $30. Internet should be covered under -- there's no 13 cost. There's no cost to y'all for that. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it should be zero. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: What are you saying? I don't 16 understand. 17 MR. WOOD: Apparently -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's covered through our I.T. 19 Department. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: But we must pay you all for it. 21 MR. WOOD: We paid zero so far in 2014. 22 MR. KING: I like that. Zero is a good number. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Get some confidence from the 24 County. 25 MR. KING: Let's reduce that to zero. 153 1 MR. WOOD: Check and make sure. 2 MR. KING: Reduce that to zero until someone can 3 tell us we're paying something for it. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: We don't pay the County? 5 MS. BAILEY: Put a note out there to make sure. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The County's paying for -- 7 some of these services we provide, you don't pay for. 8 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, you don't pay for that. So -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Then that's zero. 10 MS. HARGIS: That's zero. 11 MS. DUNGAN: We don't need that at all? 12 MR. WOOD: 2014 year-to-date is zero. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: That includes Roy's operation? 14 MR. McKENZIE: Includes everything. 15 MS. HARGIS: We have a contract for so many 16 computers. 17 MR. KING: Okay. Light and power, 15,500. It was 18 14,5 in '14, and we spent 5,900 -- $6,000 probably to-date. 19 I don't know whether -- 20 MR. GRIFFIN: 74. 21 MR. KING: We spent 74 already? 22 MS. HARGIS: Times two would be 15. 23 MR. KING: 15,000. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not the summer yet. 25 MR. KING: Golly. 154 1 MS. DUNGAN: Well, and we thought we were 2 increasing it enough for the new T-hangars, because we don't 3 know what the cost is going to be for the bifold doors, as 4 far as that. 5 MR. KING: Yeah. 6 MS. DUNGAN: The lighting. 7 MR. McKENZIE: And the lights. 8 MS. DUNGAN: That may not be enough. 9 MR. KING: I don't have any problem with that. Can 10 we turn the lights off during the day? Or you can't do that? 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yeah, they're on a photocell; they 12 turn off. 13 MR. KING: Like the ones on the runway, they're on 14 photocells. 15 MR. McKENZIE: No, that's -- if there's somebody 16 that clicks it seven -- three times, they're going to come 17 on. 18 MR. KING: But they don't normally come on? 19 MR. McKENZIE: No. If nobody flies for 15 minutes, 20 nobody clicks the radio, they'll go off. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: During the day. 22 MR. KING: That's at night. They're on the 23 photocell; they come on at dark. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: But the intensity is still -- three 25 clicks, it goes to dim. 155 1 MR. McKENZIE: Three levels of intensity at night. 2 You can raise or lower it with your microphone. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: But some level is always on? 4 MR. McKENZIE: At night, it's always on low unless 5 you bring it up. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: I've actually seen airports where 7 it's off until you click it. 8 MR. McKENZIE: No, ours is always on low intensity. 9 MR. KING: No wonder it's hard to land at night. 10 (Laughter.) Requires more skill. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, either that or stupidity. 12 MR. KING: Okay. Dues and subscriptions. 13 MR. McKENZIE: That's for my subscription to -- I 14 mean my dues for the AAAE. 15 MR. KING: Right. 16 MR. McKENZIE: And what's the other one, Carole? 17 MS. DUNGAN: Oh my gosh. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Playboy. 19 MR. McKENZIE: No. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Don't take that down, Kathy. 21 MS. DUNGAN: That's his professional dues and 22 magazines. 23 MR. McKENZIE: We don't take any magazines, though. 24 I've taken all that off. 25 MR. KING: All right, I can live with that. 156 1 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 2 MR. KING: Contingency, 10,000 last year? Now it's 3 20 -- 20,000. We didn't use any this yer yet. We didn't use 4 it any this year. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: We used 937. 6 MR. WOOD: Is this where you want to go into the 7 budget reserve line items instead of having a contingency? 8 Just a question. 9 MR. ROBLES: We used 937 to-date. 10 MR. KING: We used what? 11 MR. ROBLES: 937. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: 50. 13 MR. KING: 937 in contingency? 14 MS. HARGIS: Did y'all change dues and 15 subscriptions? 16 MR. KING: No. 17 MS. HARGIS: 'Cause you've got a permit in there as 18 well as dues. 19 MR. KING: Right. So, contingency, we can use that 20 for anything; is that correct? 21 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 22 MR. KING: But we're also -- but why don't we not 23 put -- not raise contingency, 'cause I -- that always draws a 24 flag, and we'll just cover it when we do this other deal -- 25 this reserve. 157 1 MR. GRIFFIN: There you go. 2 MR. KING: Anybody have a problem with that one? 3 The contingency, when you don't use it, it's hard to justify 4 it. I find that. 5 MS. DUNGAN: I think we're -- 6 MR. KING: 1,000 bucks into 10. 7 MS. DUNGAN: That's -- we still have six months to 8 go. 9 MR. KING: We have some stuff that we are going to 10 -- what do you think, Tom? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think leave it like it is, 12 10,000. 13 MR. KING: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, it's 20 right now. 15 MR. KING: No, we leave it at 10. We're changing 16 it to 10. It's a hard thing to justify. When I go to the 17 City, man, that's a question I always get, is, "What are you 18 going to spend that on?" You know. And then when you say 19 they -- well, you didn't spend anything this year, and now 20 you want more. All right, reserve for capital. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, that needs to go up. 22 MR. KING: Well, it's just for our truck, right? 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Mower. Got to get the mower. 24 MS. DUNGAN: We've got to add the 12,000 for the 25 mower, so it's going to be up 16. 158 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you're taking -- 2 MR. LIVERMORE: 22,000, whatever it is. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You've moving it from one 4 place to another, so it's not an increase. 5 MR. KING: Right. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: So that one's 22,000, I think. 7 MR. KING: Why is it nine? I'm trying to figure 8 out, why is it nine? 9 MR. McKENZIE: We had it at five, then we had 4,000 10 toward building it a little bit each year towards a new 11 truck. 12 MR. KING: What was the five for? 13 MS. DUNGAN: It's just been a reserve to build on. 14 MR. McKENZIE: For a new pickup. 15 MR. KING: Now we're going to add another four to 16 the pickup? 17 MS. BAILEY: And for the mower. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: And 12 grand for that mower. 19 MR. McKENZIE: And for for another pickup in 20 reserve. 21 MR. KING: So, we're adding nine for the pickup and 22 12 for the mower? 23 MR. WOOD: So, 21,000. 24 MR. McKENZIE: The pickup's going to be 9,000 now. 25 MR. KING: Instead of four. 159 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Four for the year. There's already 2 five in it. 3 MR. KING: I know, but it's going to be nine now. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir, that's correct. We're 5 trying to build it. 6 MS. HARGIS: You can't do that in a general budget. 7 You've got to move it so -- and we don't have anywhere to 8 move it. When you end a budget year, you're done. That 9 money goes away. 10 MR. KING: Really? 11 MS. HARGIS: It's in reserve. You can't accumulate 12 your depreciation. 13 MR. KING: That ain't helping, then. That's not 14 going to help. You can't do it. 15 MS. HARGIS: Only way you could do that is actually 16 remove it to the fund balance, which you didn't do last year, 17 so it's gone. So if you're going to -- you need a reserve 18 for capital, and we need to move it on your balance sheet 19 side. 20 MR. KING: We've talked about this before, Tom, 21 about actually having a separate -- it would be a separate 22 account. 23 MS. HARGIS: Well, you just set it up as a separate 24 fund balance, and -- in other words, it's kinds of like if 25 you -- if you own your own company, when you set up a 160 1 reserve, you move it into your balance sheet, so you hold 2 that money. It's cash on-hand, but it's reserved for 3 something. 4 MR. KING: So -- 5 MS. HARGIS: And we haven't done that, and we need 6 to do that if you're going to do this. 7 MR. KING: So, basically, when we do our financials 8 and stuff and everything, it shows the -- our reserves. 9 There would be a separate line for reserve for -- 10 MS. HARGIS: Capital. 11 MR. KING: -- capital in those reserves. So, out 12 of the $321,000 or something we have, 10,000 or 20,000 would 13 be reserve for a specific source, the truck. 14 MS. HARGIS: Right. 15 MR. WOOD: The mower. 16 MR. KING: The mower. 17 MS. HARGIS: And you have to do that in your 18 minutes separately now, and under the new GASB rules, so that 19 you set this reserve -- reserves are not the same as they 20 used to be, so you have to set it up as -- you know, when you 21 do this budget, that $4,000 is to go in there, and we have to 22 note that in there, okay. That is an intended -- you're 23 intending. It's not a legal thing; it's just what y'all have 24 done, so you could you change your mind and use it for 25 something else. But right now, that's the way it would go 161 1 in. 2 MR. KING: So, this carries it over, but you can 3 carry it over to next year? 4 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 5 MR. KING: The line item does that for us? 6 MS. HARGIS: Well, it does, because under the new 7 GASB rules, unfortunately, you have to choose if you -- if 8 you choose to do something like this, there's two ways to do 9 it. It's either a legal requirement by statute, or it is a 10 board requirement. Either one is fine. You just need to be 11 sure that when you approve the budget, that there's a special 12 line item in the budget so that the auditors can go back to 13 it. 14 MR. KING: Can we -- 15 MS. BAILEY: In that special line item, if we're 16 trying to reserve money for a mower and a truck, do those 17 have to be two separate items, or can it just be one item of 18 reserve for capital vehicles or something like that? 19 MS. HARGIS: It can be a reserve item, but in the 20 minutes, they need to note what they intend to purchase. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jeannie, is 513 the right line 22 item number for it, then? 'Cause that's where they have it. 23 MS. HARGIS: They have to budget it in their line 24 items, but -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is 513 the right number? 162 1 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 2 MR. KING: Then it goes away. 3 MS. HARGIS: A thousand at the end of the year. If 4 you still have your financials in front of you -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What do they do here in the 6 budget? 7 MS. HARGIS: They have to budget it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, that's what they've 9 done. 10 MS. HARGIS: That's fine, but they've got a $5,000 11 problem this year that they need to move. What we'll have to 12 do is set up a Page 1 -- actually, Page 1, and then I need to 13 actually go to Page 2. But you got to fix this year's budget 14 before we go forward. You see where you've got your equity 15 section? 16 MR. McKENZIE: On Page 1? 17 MS. HARGIS: Actually, Page 2. 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MS. HARGIS: Under your equity section right now, 20 you have -- I have one -- it's called "unreserved fund 21 balance." 22 MR. KING: Right. 23 MS. HARGIS: So we'll have to make another line 24 item under there called "reserve fund balance." 25 MR. KING: Okay. 163 1 MR. WOOD: But that's something you're going to do? 2 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. That's something -- I'm going 3 to have to move this 5,000 -- 4 MS. BAILEY: For the year. 5 MS. HARGIS: -- for this year if they don't, 6 because they've got 5,000 in the current budget for the car, 7 so we got to move it or it's going to go away. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 9 MR. KING: It will go into where, unreserved fund 10 balance? 11 MS. HARGIS: It will be in unreserved, and it's 12 gone. So, we set up a special line item called "reserve fund 13 balance." Now, I would suggest that you don't move that 14 money until the end of the year in case you spend it during 15 the year. But at the end of the year in September, if you 16 haven't moved -- if you haven't spent it, then I'm going to 17 move it there. 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MS. HARGIS: Keep in mind, however, it's not an 20 eternal thing. GASB says you're either going to spend it in 21 three to five years. You can't put it in there forever. 22 MR. KING: Okay. 23 MS. HARGIS: Okay? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, if you accumulate this, 25 Bruce, for your truck, you have to -- 164 1 MR. WOOD: And mower. 2 MS. HARGIS: Whatever Jeannie is saying the time 3 period is. 4 MR. McKENZIE: Time frame. 5 MR. WOOD: So, we want $21,000 down there. That 6 will include the truck and the mower. 7 MS. HARGIS: Well, it won't go in until the 8 following year. 5,000 will go in this year, because it's 9 obvious you're not going to spend it to buy the truck. But 10 next year, we'll put in the 9 and the 12 -- I mean the 4 and 11 the 12, if you didn't buy the tractor. But I assume you're 12 going to buy the tractor. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But for Bill's point, take 14 21,000 in this line item for this next year's budget. 15 MS. HARGIS: Right. 16 MR. KING: When are you going to buy the tractor? 17 Next year? 18 MR. McKENZIE: After October 1st. 19 MR. KING: Can you buy it out of there? 20 MS. HARGIS: Yes, you're budgeting. But what I'm 21 saying is, if you don't spend it and you want to reserve it, 22 then we move it into your reserve fund balance. 23 MR. WOOD: If you want a new truck, don't spend all 24 the money. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, taking 12,000 out of one 165 1 other line item in here. 2 MR. KING: That was the other -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You've already taken it out? 4 MR. KING: What is the year of that truck? Truck 5 year. 6 MS. HARGIS: The year we took over. 7 MR. McKENZIE: Roy's or mine? 8 MS. DUNGAN: Roy's is the 2007? 9 MR. McKENZIE: Roy's is an '07, and mine is a '9, I 10 think. 11 MR. KING: '9? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many miles on each one of 13 them? 14 MR. McKENZIE: I don't have any miles on mine. 15 I've got about 5,000 miles on that, maybe. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Roy just drives around here. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Around here and to get parts. He's 18 got several thousand miles on it. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If he does 10,000 a year, that 20 would be unbelievable. 21 MR. McKENZIE: That's a bunch. I fill my pickup up 22 about once every four months. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When you get ready to sell, 24 let me know. 25 MR. KING: That's a good truck. 166 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No kidding. 2 MR. WOOD: Make a note that the Commissioner was 3 joking. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm not sure he was. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: I don't think he was. 6 MR. KING: Okay. Good lord. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay, we've got zeros. 8 MR. KING: Okay. All right, so we -- and then over 9 here under phone supplies -- phone services, those are the -- 10 those are the hard-wired phones? Hard-wired phones, I guess. 11 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Is that also paid by the County? 13 Because the actual number for '13, all of them have been 14 pretty little. 15 MR. KING: What's the deal there? Spent $75 this 16 year. It's probably more that than that. 17 MS. DUNGAN: The $75 again is for the monitoring of 18 the fire alarm. 19 MR. KING: For a year? 20 MS. DUNGAN: No. 21 MS. HARGIS: We don't pay hard lines -- we only pay 22 our hard lines. We don't even pay our hard lines for our 23 extra departments; they have to pay their own hard lines. 24 MR. WOOD: We've been $500, $300, so why are we 25 2,000? Is there a reason? 167 1 MR. KING: Kind of a funny number, too. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, it's 2,191. 3 MR. KING: Looks like somebody actually figured it 4 up. 5 MS. HARGIS: Y'all must have had something in last 6 year's budget. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: What did you say, Jeannie? 8 MS. HARGIS: Must have been something else in last 9 year's budget that caused that. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah, it was 2,191 in last year's 11 budget. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was the budget number. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a weird number for a 15 budget. 16 MR. McKENZIE: We figured something, but I don't 17 recall what it was. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Someone was doing some ciphering. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Year-to-date, we've spent 150. 20 MR. KING: Let's change it to 700 bucks. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Look at all the actuals. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: She's checking it in there right 23 now. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Look at all the actuals in the 25 past: 572, 575, 300, 300. 168 1 MR. McKENZIE: That's why I'm wondering why we put 2 that number in there. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Make it 700. 4 MS. HARGIS: I think we're paying the hard line, 5 and then when we got the contract, I guess John is including 6 it, 'cause the only thing I see on there is the $750. 7 MR. KING: Okay. 8 MS. HARGIS: So I would think -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: That's $900. 10 MS. HARGIS: No. No, it's a quarter. 11 MS. DUNGAN: So, it's 300 a year. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Make it 500, and -- 13 MR. LIVERMORE: 500. 14 MR. KING: 500 covers it. 500. All right, light 15 and power. We spent 9,000 last year, budgeted 11. We 16 spent -- something. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: We spent 36. 18 MR. KING: We better leave that. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. With the new hangars and more 20 hangars, and -- 21 MR. KING: Propane gas. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is for the terminal. 23 This isn't for the hangars. 24 MR. KING: This is just terminal. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 169 1 MR. KING: This is for this local terminal here. 2 God, that's expensive. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Propane is about the same. 4 MR. KING: What is light and power? Is that just 5 for the terminal? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 7 MR. KING: Almost $900 a month for light and power. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 9 MR. KING: And we run the air-conditioner off of 10 propane gas? 11 MR. McKENZIE: No, the heater. 12 MR. KING: Oh, the heater. 13 MR. WOOD: Our air conditioning costs are probably 14 a lot, 'cause these doors open all the time. 15 MR. LIVERMORE: And heating too in the winter. 16 MR. KING: Propane gas was 4,500 budgeted. We've 17 already spent more than that, probably. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Spent 42. 19 MR. KING: Spent 42. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Propane should go down now for 21 the rest of the year. 22 MR. McKENZIE: We won't use it. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 24 MR. KING: So -- 25 MS. DUNGAN: We actually spent all of this. 170 1 Remember, this is February's numbers. I believe March 2 reflects the last bill. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: 42 right now. 4 MS. DUNGAN: Yeah. And -- 5 MR. GRIFFIN: I'd say make it five. 6 MR. KING: Why don't we make it five, and let's 7 hope -- hope for the good. Turn the thermostats up or down. 8 MR. McKENZIE: I do. 9 MR. KING: I know, I check them all the time. 10 MR. McKENZIE: I know you do. I'm turning them up. 11 MR. LIVERMORE: He turns them up and you turn them 12 down, or vice-versa. 13 MR. McKENZIE: I have a couple of industrious 14 pilots that know how to get into those thermostats. 15 MR. KING: You make it warm in here and everybody 16 wants to hang out in the terminal. 17 MR. WOOD: 2,750 looks okay to me. 18 MR. McKENZIE: What are we doing with propane? 19 MR. WOOD: 5,000. 20 MR. KING: 5,000. Water and sewer? 21 MR. WOOD: Looks okay. 22 MR. KING: Okay. 23 MR. WOOD: That'll work. 24 MR. KING: Somebody add all that up. 25 MR. WOOD: It's going to be probably under 400, or 171 1 close. 2 MR. KING: God, I hope so. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: But we haven't added in the money 4 from that budget -- from that reserve yet, have we? 5 MS. BAILEY: Does that line item go in here? 6 Jeannie, where would you add that budget reserve line item? 7 MS. HARGIS: It goes on the balance sheet. They 8 need to budget it. Where they have it now is fine, as far as 9 the budget is concerned. 10 MS. BAILEY: We don't have one. If we're going to 11 add -- 12 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, you do. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 513 is right; that's the right 14 line item. 15 MS. HARGIS: The zero for reserve for capital is -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're taking 12,000 out of 17 one line item and adding it to the 9,000. 18 MR. KING: I think she was asking Jeannie, where do 19 you put the reserve -- the budget reserve? 20 MS. HARGIS: We have -- that's called -- it's 21 called -- oh, the budget reserve? 22 MR. KING: Budget reserve. 23 MS. HARGIS: Budget reserve would have to go in two 24 places. You probably want to put it in between the -- 25 MS. DUNGAN: On Page 1. 172 1 MS. HARGIS: It's on Page 1? No, I don't want it 2 under reimbursements. Usually you put it at the very bottom. 3 It's probably going to be down here with the transfers. 4 MS. DUNGAN: Above the transfer in. 5 MS. HARGIS: I have to look. It's probably going 6 to be a different code within the 300's. I'll just have to 7 look. I don't know what they've used, and I'm going to have 8 to go in there and look at it. But the budget reserve needs 9 to go -- generally speaking, it's at the very bottom of your 10 income stream, okay? And it's at the very bottom -- 11 MR. LIVERMORE: And we've agreed that's going to be 12 20 grand? 13 MS. HARGIS: I haven't heard a number. 14 MR. McKENZIE: 21. 15 MR. KING: I want to see what the total is first. 16 Let's see what the total is, see what we deducted. 17 MR. WOOD: We need to put all the contingency -- 18 MS. HARGIS: 21,000, I think, is capital. I mean, 19 if you don't need to -- unless you -- I mean, the only reason 20 you want to budget for the reserve is if you think there's 21 something out there. Again -- 22 MR. KING: You're good for 5 percent, right? 23 MS. HARGIS: You're good to move around 5 percent 24 without asking permission. However, if you have something 25 that you need to go back to either one of us on, I'm sure 173 1 there's not a problem, as long as you're moving a line item. 2 MR. KING: Did anybody add this up to see where 3 we're at? 4 MR. ROBLES: I got 387,664. 5 MR. KING: Do you -- 6 MR. ROBLES: That's on a phone calculator, so don't 7 hold me to that. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Cell phone, okay. 9 MR. WOOD: It's understand 400,000, so that's what 10 we -- 11 MR. GRIFFIN: 386? 12 MR. ROBLES: 387,664. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: So, we've got an $8,000 increase over 14 last -- over last year. 15 MR. McKENZIE: Without the budget reserve. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Without the budget reserve. 17 MR. KING: And you're adding back in -- we're 18 adding -- to be correct, we're adding -- on the airport land 19 leases, we're adding 30,000 in; is that right? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Private. 21 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 22 MR. KING: 30,000. 23 MS. HARGIS: Well, we're going to subtract 24 something. What we're subtracting and not adding total 30. 25 MR. McKENZIE: That will balance it. 174 1 MR. GRIFFIN: You're looking at $8,000, plus. 2 MR. KING: Hmm? 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Looking at an $8,000 increase. 4 MR. KING: You're adding a deduction of 30 from 5 that. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 7 MR. KING: So it's way more -- less than that. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. No, I'm just saying. 9 MR. KING: You're talking expense side. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, 30,000. 12 MS. HARGIS: You're only adding 24,180. 13 MR. KING: In what? 14 MS. DUNGAN: Land lease. 15 MR. KING: In leases? 16 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 17 MR. KING: 24,180? Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, that's 12,000 off 19 of each City and County, so the 12,000 -- 20 MR. KING: Wait, how do y'all figure that? 21 MR. McKENZIE: I already took 10 out of that from 22 last year, so I took 20 out of it already. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know, but you just added 24 24,000 for this line -- for Page 1, okay? You got 425,000 25 revenue, right? 175 1 MR. McKENZIE: Mm-hmm. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Then you've just added 3 additional revenue of 24,000. 4 MR. KING: 180. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 180. So, therefore, we have 6 to -- 7 MR. McKENZIE: I see what you did. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- take 12,000 out of each 9 City and County. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Both. 11 MR. KING: Let's see where we're at. 12 MR. WOOD: See what our expenses are. 13 MR. KING: See what our expenses are, and then 14 we'll figure it out. It should be -- you're right. Somebody 15 want to go over the -- who's adding this up? 16 MR. GRIFFIN: James. 17 MR. WOOD: With a phone calculator. 18 MR. McKENZIE: I got a bigger calculator in there. 19 MR. WOOD: Do you have a tape drive on that? 20 MR. ROBLES: No. That's my biggest concern, is 21 that I missed something. 22 MR. McKENZIE: Hang on just a second. 23 MS. HARGIS: He's pretty good with his phone, 24 actually better than -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You ought to go into executive 176 1 session. 2 MR. WOOD: We outlasted you. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I gave up a meeting with Lamar 4 Smith to work on this with you guys. I think this is more 5 productive. 6 MR. KING: You're more productive. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Which Lamar? 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The Lamar. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: The Lamar? 10 MR. KING: Well, I can tell you what, you got more 11 accomplished here than you would with him. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: That's what I was just thinking. 13 MR. WOOD: You helped your constituents more here. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, guys. 15 MR. WOOD: Thanks for coming. Thanks for your 16 interest, Tom. 17 (Discussion off the record.) 18 MR. WOOD: You're not going to want lunch. 19 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm going to want lunch. I've got 20 a hunger headache right now. We haven't even started the 21 real stuff. 22 MR. WOOD: While we're adding up numbers, I'm going 23 to use that time productively. 24 MS. BAILEY: We're going to call out for pizza? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Going to put it against Tom's county 177 1 budget. 2 MS. HARGIS: No. 3 (Discussion off the record.) 4 MS. BAILEY: Why don't you officially call for a 5 break? 6 MR. KING: Let's take a recess for -- at 11:45 for 7 about five minutes while we add this up. 8 (Recess taken from 11:45 a.m. to 11:50 a.m.) 9 - - - - - - - - - - 10 MR. KING: What we're going to do, guys, is I'd 11 like to add back the -- we've cut the budget so much and 12 we've increased the revenue so much that we're actually 13 revenue-neutral right now. We would actually get nothing -- 14 nothing from the City and nothing from the County. It would 15 be complete. And I'm just real -- kind of hesitant about -- 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Going to absolutely zero. 17 MR. KING: Exactly. I don't know that we're -- 18 'cause then we're going to have to go backwards if we run too 19 much. So, what I was thinking we should do is maybe add 20 2,000 back into Ilse, just because we could have those 21 attorney's fees. I mean, I think we can justify those 22 attorney's fees pretty easily. 23 MR. WOOD: Ran up a thousand just today at this 24 meeting. 25 MR. KING: I know. (Laughter.) 178 1 MR. KING: And then add back -- and add back that 2 mowing -- one mowing run, and add that mowing run back there. 3 Corey's not there, is he? 4 MR. McKENZIE: Whenever you tell me -- he said call 5 him when you're going into executive session. 6 MR. KING: So, add those two back in. That will 7 give us a little bit. We can ask for about 10,000 from the 8 City and 10,000 from the County. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Looks good. 10 MR. McKENZIE: That's all from each? 11 MR. LIVERMORE: You're talking about the total from 12 70 down to 10? 13 MR. KING: Well, 'cause you cut the budget -- we 14 cut the budget. 15 MS. HARGIS: It is 88,000, so that put us at about 16 40,000 each. 17 MR. KING: Okay, hold on. 18 MR. WOOD: 40,000 each? That's better than zero or 19 10. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, from -- we went down. What 21 we're saying is we went down 30 -- 22 MR. LIVERMORE: It was 90 each. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: Got down to 70. 24 MR. WOOD: It was 90 in 2013. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 179 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 2 MR. WOOD: And we cut 10 out last year. We're 3 cutting 30 out this year, right? 4 MR. GRIFFIN: Yeah. 5 MR. WOOD: Each. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, Jeannie's numbers are bouncing, 7 so -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: Putting it on a spreadsheet real 9 fast. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, this year they each gave us 11 80, apparently. Am I reading that right? 12 MR. McKENZIE: That's correct. 13 MR. WOOD: Yes, correct. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: And we've asked -- our proposal is 15 to go down to 70. 16 MR. WOOD: Correct. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Now we're talking about taking that 18 down to 20? 19 MR. KING: 44. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: Huh? 21 MR. KING: Like, 44 each. They'll contribute 44 22 each. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: So, we're going from 80 to 44. 24 MR. KING: Yeah, 80 to 44. And that'll be -- 25 that'll be with extra mowing -- adding the mowing -- mowing 180 1 cycle back in. 2 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, it comes out to $44,478. 3 MR. KING: Okay. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Call it 45. 5 MR. KING: Okay. 6 MS. HARGIS: Well, you want to just make it 45? 7 Round it off? 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah, we could. We got to add 9 something back in our budget, don't we? 10 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. 11 MS. BAILEY: Carole can do that. 12 MR. GRIFFIN: We can put that under vehicle. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Does that include taking money out 14 of reserve? 15 MS. HARGIS: No, it doesn't. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Haven't gotten to that. 17 MR. KING: That would take off more. 18 MS. HARGIS: Then we'd have to take off more. 19 MR. KING: Have to do that -- that's like us 20 loaning money back into the -- 21 MS. HARGIS: So, if we needed to use reserve, it 22 would just -- like, for instance, if you had lights that were 23 out, or something that was really -- that's health and 24 safety, anything that would be the safety of planes coming 25 in. 181 1 MR. KING: Yeah. 2 MS. HARGIS: That's where you're going to hit it, 3 and that's where you come back to us and ask for it. 4 MR. KING: Okay. 5 MS. HARGIS: So, you know, when something like that 6 comes up and your budget is out, then you go back to that 7 item that you need. 8 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, what about the -- over here 9 on the paint building, if something happens in there and 10 we've got to make some kind of a roof repair or structural 11 repair? 12 MS. HARGIS: That's not health and safety. That's 13 rental of equipment. That's a profit-making organization. 14 See, you're considered -- 15 MR. LIVERMORE: So what do we do, then? Where do 16 we get the money to fix that? 17 MS. HARGIS: Well, you're in your current year 18 right now. 19 MR. KING: Yeah. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: What if that happened next week? 21 MS. HARGIS: If it happens next week, we can add it 22 to the budget, as long as it's before our budget process is 23 over. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm not talking about budget. I'm 25 saying we got to fix it this year. Where do we get the 182 1 money? 2 MR. WOOD: Got to rob Peter to pay Paul. 3 MS. HARGIS: Going to have to rob some of your line 4 items that you're not going to use, you can see. 5 MS. DUNGAN: But we can only move 5 percent. 6 MR. McKENZIE: $19,000. 7 MR. KING: That's what we can move, 19K? 8 MS. HARGIS: So then you would have to go back to 9 your partners at that point. 10 MR. GRIFFIN: And get approval. 11 MR. McKENZIE: So, what are we going to do on the 12 top one up here, 45? 13 MS. HARGIS: Why don't you just make it -- why 14 don't you just make it 44,500? Because that way you don't 15 have to justify very much more money. That's in -- you know, 16 44,5 is an even number for us. 17 MR. LIVERMORE: Was there that much difference from 18 45? 19 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. You're going to have to come up 20 with moving some more money, and then you're going to have to 21 go back to Tom and tell him what you do. Please don't make 22 me do that. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: So, 44,5 from the County, and the 24 same from the City. 25 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 183 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Cut it almost in half. 2 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, we cut it. Well, you already 3 gave us $20,000 -- I mean $10,000 anyway. And, you know, 4 you -- 5 MS. DUNGAN: If y'all make it 44,5. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: Bruce will take that out of his 7 pocket. 8 MR. McKENZIE: I will. (Laughter.) Good call. 9 MS. HARGIS: Add it in here somewhere. 10 MS. DUNGAN: Right. Right. 11 MR. WOOD: So, are you going to go back and redo -- 12 redo the budget? E-mail it out to us. 13 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. I would -- 14 MS. DUNGAN: You got all that? 15 MS. HARGIS: I would suggest that -- I mean, we 16 both -- we all want this. Now, I'm more flexible with mine 17 than the City is, but until they actually approve their 18 budget, you still have that flexibility of going back. So, 19 if you find something with this paint building, and we can 20 hold him off until October 1 -- we can't hold him off Tim 21 till October 1. 22 MR. KING: He's starting a business July -- or he's 23 going to be in business somewhere in July, probably, 24 starting. 25 MR. McKENZIE: We'll know -- 184 1 MR. WOOD: May 28 is what he said. 2 MR. KING: He's going to be already building stuff. 3 MS. HARGIS: You're going to do in the next 30 4 days -- let's say you knew in the next 30 days you could come 5 back to us and come back to the City. 6 MR. KING: Okay. 7 MS. HARGIS: And say, "We know we're going to have 8 to spend this money, and we're going to have to" -- 9 MR. KING: Why don't we -- 10 MS. HARGIS: I don't know how you're going to do it 11 this year. 12 MR. KING: Let's look at the budget a little bit 13 here before we just hack it completely to death here, like we 14 just did. 15 MS. HARGIS: You have really hacked it. 16 MR. KING: Why don't we -- I would just -- going 17 back through here, I'm a little concerned about that propane 18 gas. We're knocking it down to 5,000. It was already over 19 45 this -- it's currently over 45. 20 MR. LIVERMORE: That was on Page 4 of this thing, 21 wasn't it? 22 MR. WOOD: Want to leave it at 65? 23 MR. KING: We can still change this a little bit, 24 can't we? 25 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. 185 1 MR. KING: I'm just trying to throw a little bit 2 back in here that we cut it so largely, that maybe we leave 3 that at 6,000 on that propane; we put it at 6,000 instead of 4 5,000. We add a grand back in there. And we already did the 5 mowing deal. We -- and you have in there on the -- on the 6 reserve for, like, the truck and the mower, you have -- 7 MS. DUNGAN: Reserve for capital, I got 21,000. 8 MR. KING: 21,000, okay. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: And we've got that in the right 10 bucket now. 11 MR. KING: You added the legal services back to 10. 12 MS. DUNGAN: Correct. 13 MR. KING: Okay. And you -- we're still at 20,000 14 on professional services. 15 MR. WOOD: Yep. 16 MS. DUNGAN: No, we reduced that to 15. 17 MR. WOOD: No, we want to go back to 20. 18 MR. KING: We went back to 20. 19 MS. DUNGAN: Okay. 20 MS. HARGIS: Let her fix that. 21 MR. KING: 'Cause that's something we -- we think 22 we can go -- if we're close on anything, I'd rather have that 23 at 20. We decided on 20, so it's going to change it a little 24 bit. But still, we're giving so much back to the City and 25 County, I don't think there will be any complaints. 186 1 MS. HARGIS: Now, on the mowing, since you haven't 2 -- of course, I don't know what the summer's going to bring, 3 but that would be where you'd get the current money for that 4 paint building. 5 MR. KING: Yeah, right. That's why I moved it back 6 to 45, 'cause we have it in our -- 7 MR. LIVERMORE: I took it back to 45. 8 MR. WOOD: Yes. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: Put it back in, put one mowing back. 10 MR. LIVERMORE: So, we're a total of -- back 11 from -- 12 MR. McKENZIE: Just one cycle. 13 MS. HARGIS: So, if you needed money -- what I'm 14 saying, if you need money for the paint building this year, I 15 suggest we take it out of there. We just might not be able 16 to mow as often. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. It's the -- yeah. 18 MR. KING: That's it. I think that's it right 19 there. That should be it. Don't you think, guys? 20 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 21 MR. KING: See what she comes up with here, and 22 what's that come up to? 23 (Discussion off the record.) 24 MR. LIVERMORE: This is the most detailed budget 25 probing we've ever done. 187 1 MR. WOOD: Well, you lose credibility -- when you 2 overshoot things every year, you lose credibility. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: But if we can overshoot and we still 4 reduce the City and the County's contribution, then we're 5 good. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: If we come in and we're spending a 7 lot more than we budget, then we're poor managers. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: But as -- 9 MR. LIVERMORE: What we really were was poor 10 guessers in advance. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, I don't think you were in here, 12 but, you know, if you increase what you have, your numbers 13 are going to go up. 14 MR. McKENZIE: Exactly. 15 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Your point is really that. 17 MS. BAILEY: Right. 18 MR. WOOD: We're managing more. We've got more 19 buildings to lease; we've got things going on that we didn't 20 have before. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Exactly. 22 MR. WOOD: So our expenses are a little higher. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: And what we're finding is -- is 24 that the buildings that we've always owned, which Mooney is 25 getting ready to do a big project -- 188 1 MR. McKENZIE: Going to need -- 2 MR. LIVERMORE: That's been an overlooked project, 3 so here's something that -- I don't know if we can bring this 4 up now, but, I mean, it's on the subject. Can I bring up the 5 other buildings? Is that a legal -- 6 MR. McKENZIE: Which other buildings? 7 MS. BAILEY: Which? 8 MR. WOOD: It is on the agenda. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: That one, the ones down here. I 10 want to ask some questions about that. 11 MR. McKENZIE: All of the hangars? 12 MS. BAILEY: As long as we're talking about budget, 13 all this has to do with budgetary issues. 14 MR. LIVERMORE: I can bring this up? 15 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. Here is -- how do we -- what 17 are our -- what's our understanding with Joey in terms of 18 maintaining the building he has under lease at a proper, 19 satisfactory level, and is he doing so? Or do we have 20 another Mooney thing coming? 21 MR. McKENZIE: No, we don't, because I -- y'all 22 said something about this two months ago, and I addressed it, 23 and he cleaned up everything you guys asked him to clean up. 24 I got him to clean up everything. He did everything you 25 asked. 189 1 MR. GRIFFIN: I think he's -- 2 MR. KING: Here we go. Can you just print that out 3 for me? 4 MR. GRIFFIN: I think the -- 5 MR. KING: I'd like to approve the budget. 6 MS. HARGIS: You need to approve it. 7 MR. KING: I'm leaving on the 24th of May. 8 MS. HARGIS: But, see, remember your deal with the 9 City is you have to have it to them by the 1st of May. 10 MR. KING: I'm going to -- I'm going to -- not 1st 11 of May; by the 1st of June, right? 12 MS. BAILEY: No, 'cause they do their -- 13 MS. HARGIS: They do theirs before we do. 14 MR. McKENZIE: They have it there by June 1. 15 MR. KING: The City? 16 MS. HARGIS: If you go ahead and approve it -- 17 MR. KING: Then I can take it to them on the 12th. 18 MR. McKENZIE: May 12th, which is two weeks. 19 MR. KING: 'Cause I'm leaving on the 24th; we don't 20 have time for another meeting. 21 MR. McKENZIE: Or we can -- 22 MS. DUNGAN: How many copies? Everybody? 23 MR. KING: Yeah, bring one for everybody. 24 MR. McKENZIE: We'll have to get on the agenda 25 today, so we're getting pretty close. 190 1 MS. HARGIS: I do think that you do -- you need to 2 address some of these bills, any more repairs that might 3 happen. Because to be honest with you, I don't have the 4 reserve in the county. I don't know -- I think they got a 5 windfall over there, and I don't know how they did it, 6 because we couldn't justify that it was a health and safety 7 situation, because this is a profit-making organization. 8 MR. KING: Right. Right. 9 MS. HARGIS: We can't even borrow bond money on 10 this without it being separate. 11 MS. BAILEY: Ever been in Mooney when it's raining? 12 It's a health and safety issue. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Did we make a profit this year? 14 MR. KING: No, because we have expenses. 15 MR. McKENZIE: We make money. 16 MR. KING: We make money, even though it's -- 17 MS. BAILEY: Income-producing. 18 MR. KING: Income-producing. 19 MS. HARGIS: You basically bring in money. 20 MR. KING: Yeah. 21 MS. HARGIS: So there's two types of funds in a -- 22 in a city, and you really fall more into a city environment, 23 and it's called an enterprise fund. And enterprise funds or 24 proprietary funds is just like a normal set of books. You 25 are making money off of these leases, and then you're paying 191 1 your expenses. And so when a city has, like, a golf course 2 or anything like that, they have to split that out separately 3 and show it as a -- what they call a proprietary fund. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 5 MS. HARGIS: And so, you know, y'all are kind of a 6 different animal, but you still fall under the same rules. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 8 MS. HARGIS: But because you're profit-making, 9 that's what we -- 10 MR. LIVERMORE: Are you talking about profit in 11 terms of private business profit? 12 MS. HARGIS: You generate -- 13 MR. LIVERMORE: More revenue than we spend? 14 MS. HARGIS: Well, you know, you generate income. 15 You're a -- you are an income-generating entity. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. But "income" and "profit" in 17 my mind are two different things. 18 MS. HARGIS: Well, they are different. They are 19 different. 20 MS. BAILEY: We're an unsuccessful income-producing 21 entity. 22 MS. HARGIS: You're not necessarily meant to make 23 money, but let me give you a difference. The County and the 24 City both have fire and EMS and police departments. We don't 25 make any money out of all this. They go out, okay? So -- 192 1 but if we owned a golf course and we charged fees for that 2 golf course, -- 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 4 MS. HARGIS: -- we may not make any money off of 5 it, but we are getting a fee for it. 6 MR. LIVERMORE: Mm-hmm. 7 MS. HARGIS: So, it's not that you make a profit. 8 It's that you're collecting a fee. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 10 MR. KING: Okay. So -- 11 MS. HARGIS: That's a -- it's a little synopsis. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, the word "profit" means 13 something else to me. 14 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, you're not really making a 15 profit. You're generating a fee. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah. 17 MS. HARGIS: You just need to understand that. 18 MR. KING: What time is your deal? 19 THE REPORTER: 1:30. 20 MR. KING: All right. What we'll do is we'll look 21 at this budget real quickly and we'll approve it, and then 22 we'll go into executive session and we'll address that -- 23 MR. McKENZIE: Is it also okay, Ilse, if he tells 24 Corey what we did with the budget when we go into executive 25 session? Does he need to be on the phone now? 193 1 MS. BAILEY: If he's going to vote, he needs to be 2 on the phone. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: He may want to abstain. 4 MS. BAILEY: Yeah. 5 MR. KING: Yeah. 6 MR. McKENZIE: Do you want me to call him? He said 7 call him when we got in executive session. 8 MR. KING: Wait until we're in executive session. 9 He doesn't need to vote on the budget. 10 MR. McKENZIE: Thank you, Jeannie. 11 MS. HARGIS: Hot off the press. They're not in 12 color, but you don't need them in color. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh, well, let's go print them 14 again. 15 MS. HARGIS: Okay, everybody got one? 16 MR. KING: Don't worry about the notes. 17 MS. BAILEY: The notes are wrong. 18 MS. DUNGAN: The notes are all wrong, so don't 19 worry about them. 20 MR. KING: I got you. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Now, do we have -- this is just two 22 pages. 23 MS. HARGIS: The other one is your capital budget, 24 which you can't -- 25 MS. DUNGAN: Yeah, you don't need -- did you get 194 1 five pages? 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, the income is -- 3 MR. McKENZIE: We changed it to 47,000 rather than 4 44,000. 5 MS. DUNGAN: Right. 6 MR. KING: 47,479.50 as opposed to -- 7 MS. HARGIS: Her computer rounded it. Don't worry 8 about it; we'll figure it out. 9 MS. DUNGAN: You got four pages? 10 MR. LIVERMORE: I only have two. 11 MR. WOOD: See if they're stuck together. 12 MR. KING: I got four. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: Oh. 14 MR. McKENZIE: I got a blank page here. 15 MS. HARGIS: I just gave you you what she gave me. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: No problem. Let's just talk about 17 the numbers. So, I got the first page. 18 MS. HARGIS: Here's a complete set; hand me yours. 19 There you go. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Thank you. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: So, we went from four -- 22 MR. KING: Went from 39,414 to 40,464 on this 23 budget. 24 MR. LIVERMORE: You're talking about on the expense 25 pages now? 195 1 MR. KING: Expense page, yeah. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 3 MR. McKENZIE: So we have a balanced budget. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. What -- say the numbers you 5 just said again? 6 MR. GRIFFIN: 39,414. 40,464. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Yeah, got it. I see it now. 8 MR. KING: Gosh, I'd like to add that -- 9 MS. HARGIS: Let me get your percentage of 10 increase. It's about 10 percent. 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, Steve, what we talked about 12 while you weren't in here is we take over more and more 13 properties; we got more and more -- 14 MR. KING: To take care of, yeah. 15 MS. HARGIS: It's about 6 percent. 16 MR. KING: For what? 17 MS. HARGIS: Six percent over last year, I think. 18 MS. BAILEY: In expense. 19 MR. KING: In expense? 20 MS. BAILEY: What's our percentage of increase in 21 income? 22 MS. HARGIS: It's the same, 'cause we have a 23 balanced budget. 24 MR. McKENZIE: Six percent. 25 MR. LIVERMORE: Well, the total revenue's on this 196 1 new sheet. 2 MS. HARGIS: Match -- 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Probably the reason I have to go 4 back over them is they went down. 5 MS. HARGIS: They're going down because you got 6 less money coming in from the City and the County. 7 MR. KING: Right. Right, 'cause you took it down 8 from 80,000 -- 80,000. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Right. 10 MS. BAILEY: That's really my point. Even though 11 the income is the same, 'cause we have a balanced budget, 12 what we're actually generating as opposed to getting it from 13 the owners, that's the percentage that I think we need to 14 identify. 15 MR. WOOD: Yeah. 16 MR. KING: Right. 17 MR. McKENZIE: Which is 50 percent. 18 MS. BAILEY: See, that number needs to be 19 addressed. 20 MR. McKENZIE: Almost 50 percent, without figuring 21 it. Above 46 percent. 22 MR. LIVERMORE: I thought we were going to do 23 40-some -- 44,5 and it comes back at 47,5. 24 MS. HARGIS: Because we've added -- 25 MS. DUNGAN: We added some stuff back in. 197 1 MR. LIVERMORE: I'm always a step behind you. 2 MS. DUNGAN: Ed, we added back in contingency. 3 MS. HARGIS: A 5 percent increase in the revenue. 4 MS. DUNGAN: And Ilse's back up. 5 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 6 MS. HARGIS: You wanted to know what the difference 7 is between -- they'd already gone down $10,000. Ilse, you 8 wanted it from 80? It's something like close to 40, 45 9 percent reduction in the City/County pieces. 10 MR. KING: Do what? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: 45 percent reduction. 12 MR. LIVERMORE: Boy, that's the headline that ought 13 to be in the newspaper right there. 14 MS. BAILEY: Exactly. 15 MR. McKENZIE: 43 percent. 16 MR. LIVERMORE: And he's gone away. 17 MR. McKENZIE: 43 percent. 18 MR. LIVERMORE: Bruce, would it be useful for you 19 to call Mark? 20 MR. McKENZIE: Here's what -- you don't have to do 21 that. Whenever Steve presents this to the City Council, and 22 Mark's sitting right there, then that's when it will hit the 23 paper. 24 MS. BAILEY: To me, that's the important thing. 25 MR. McKENZIE: That's the big number right there. 198 1 MS. BAILEY: May have gone up 55 percent, but -- 2 MR. GRIFFIN: The cost to the City and County went 3 down 43. 4 MS. BAILEY: Exactly. 5 MR. WOOD: 160 to 94. 6 MR. McKENZIE: That's what I got; that's right. 7 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. 8 MR. McKENZIE: Okay. 9 MS. HARGIS: Okay, are y'all going into executive 10 session? 11 MR. KING: We got to vote on this. 12 MR. WOOD: Let's vote on the budget. 13 MR. LIVERMORE: We have to vote on this. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: We're going to vote on it, but yeah. 15 MR. WOOD: I make a motion we accept the budget as 16 revised, and as we have in our hands here. 17 MR. KING: A second? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: I'll second. 19 MR. KING: Seconded by Kirk. And any discussion? 20 All in favor? 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 22 MR. KING: Four-zero, and Mr. Walters is not in 23 attendance. 24 MR. KENNEDY: Thank you, James. 25 MS. HARGIS: Bye, guys. 199 1 MR. WOOD: Thanks. 2 MR. KING: Okay. So, that will be the budget. 3 MR. LIVERMORE: That will be the budget. 4 MR. WOOD: I think that's a good budget. 5 MR. KING: Yeah, I think it is. I think it's all 6 justifiable. We're getting ready to go into executive 7 session? 8 MR. McKENZIE: I guess we are. 9 MR. KING: Okay, let me -- for her, we're going to 10 -- we're going to have a couple -- one thing to vote on, at 11 least this Brown hangar lease; we'll have something to vote 12 on there. 13 MS. BAILEY: And the Alamo Community College 14 District. 15 MR. KING: We'll have something to vote on there. 16 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 17 MR. KING: What else will we have? 18 MS. BAILEY: Probably have to vote on the paint 19 hangar, if you want to direct us to pursue contract 20 negotiations. 21 MR. LIVERMORE: Are we still in open session? 22 MR. KING: Yes. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: Why don't we get rid of the easy 24 stuff first? If I make a motion we approve the lease with 25 Alamo, do you have something -- 200 1 MR. McKENZIE: Ilse needs to talk to us about it. 2 MS. BAILEY: It doesn't need to be in executive. 3 I've got all this for you if you want to look at it. 4 MR. KING: You can talk in open session? 5 MS. BAILEY: Yeah. We approved the previous 6 version of the lease, and then their lawyer came back and 7 said there were two things that we had put in that they had a 8 problem with. I reviewed them; I agreed with him. One was 9 in the lease, that they had didn't have any indemnity, and I 10 put it back in, just thinking, "Well, we always want to have 11 indemnity from our lessees." And then he pointed out to me 12 that Alamo College is a governmental entity like we are, so 13 we took it out, and so he was right. I took it back out 14 again. 15 MR. KING: Okay. 16 MS. BAILEY: Then the other thing was -- oh, their 17 obligation to fix the property if there was a problem with 18 it. I had again changed it back to the way we normally do 19 things, and he said what they had done when they originally 20 negotiated the lease was to say, yeah, we'll fix things if 21 they need to be fixed, but at some point the requirement to 22 fix becomes economically unfeasible, and at that point they 23 wanted out. So, I changed that back to the way it was, and 24 so that's what the current proposed lease is with those 25 changes. And if you trust me to have made those correctly, 201 1 then this is the new lease, and you can approve it. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: So, if -- if, again, it is another 3 Mooney building thing, if something goes wrong, they walk 4 away? 5 MS. BAILEY: No, because they've actually put 6 substantial improvements into the building, so it's better 7 than when we gave it to them. And -- 8 MR. McKENZIE: Absolutely. 9 MR. KING: Quite a lot. 10 MS. BAILEY: And then we have the ongoing 11 obligation to keep what they've got there -- 12 MR. KING: Right. 13 MS. BAILEY: -- at a good level. 14 MR. KING: Okay. Yeah, I don't have a problem. 15 MR. WOOD: She just got through saying she had to 16 spend $20,000 for the ADA. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Is getting ready to. 18 MR. KING: Okay. 19 MR. McKENZIE: So, if they approve it, Steve, sign 20 that now -- 21 MS. BAILEY: Yes. 22 MR. McKENZIE: -- and we're done with it. 23 MR. LIVERMORE: I move that we approve the lease. 24 MR. GRIFFIN: Second. 25 MR. KING: All right, seconded by Kirk. 202 1 MR. LIVERMORE: Discussion? 2 MR. KING: Yeah. Discussion? None being heard, 3 all in favor? 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 5 MR. KING: Four -- 6 MR. LIVERMORE: Is that four-zero? 7 MR. KING: Yeah, four to zero. And -- okay. 8 MR. WOOD: Good job. 9 MR. LIVERMORE: Okay. 10 MR. KING: All right. And then we'll -- 11 MR. LIVERMORE: Do you want a motion on that 12 architect bill for the Brown building? 13 MR. KING: No, 'cause I need -- 14 MR. LIVERMORE: We need to go into that more. 15 MR. KING: So, we'll go into executive session 16 under -- okay, under Item 4B, section -- in executive session 17 under Section 551.071, 551.072, and 551.087; and then under 18 Item 4D, the Mooney lease and roof replacement, that will be 19 551.071, .072, 551.087. And then under item 4E, 551.071, 20 551.072, and 551.087. And we will not report -- well, any 21 decisions being made will be reported in open session. And 22 we'll go into executive session -- we'll recess here at 12:20 23 and go into executive session at 12:21. 24 (The open session was closed at 12:20 p.m., and an executive session was held off the record.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 203 1 MR. KING: All right. We'll go out of executive 2 session at 14 after 1 o'clock, and -- eight after -- oh, 3 eight after 1 o'clock, and we'll go back into regular 4 session. Mr. Walters is on the phone. We have four in 5 attendance. Do we have anything to vote on? 6 MS. BAILEY: I don't think so. 7 MR. KING: We -- 8 MS. BAILEY: 4B, 4D, and 4E. No action, I think. 9 MR. WALTERS: Don't have you to vote on the -- on 10 paying Ronnie? 11 MR. KING: Yeah, how about that? 12 MR. WALTERS: $1,000? 13 MS. BAILEY: I think what you discussed was that 14 you were going to confer with him, and -- 15 MR. KING: I know. 16 MS. BAILEY: See what he wanted to do, and then if 17 he agrees to it, then next meeting, we can come back and 18 approve. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: No, we need -- 20 MR. WOOD: He wants to get paid right away. 21 MS. BAILEY: Oh, that's right. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Pay the balance of -- 23 MR. LIVERMORE: In exchange for the release. 24 MR. WOOD: Yes, signed release. 25 MR. KING: Yeah. So, I'll make -- somebody make a 204 1 motion that we -- in return for taking over the contract on 2 -- with David Martin, that we will reimburse Ronnie Solomon 3 for his -- 4 MR. GRIFFIN: His bills. 5 MR. KING: -- his bills. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: His incurred bills. 7 MR. KING: Incurred bills from David Martin for 8 that contract. And in return for that, he will provide us 9 with a release. 10 MR. WOOD: Signed release. 11 MR. KING: A signed release. And we have access to 12 all information that he may have recovered from that. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: That's your motion. 14 MR. WOOD: I so move. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: I'll second. 16 MR. KING: All -- any discussion? All in favor? 17 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 5-0.) 18 MR. KING: Corey? 19 MR. WALTERS: Aye. 20 MR. KING: Aye. Five-zero. All right. That'll be 21 -- anything else? 22 MR. McKENZIE: That's good. 23 MR. KING: Motion to adjourn? 24 MR. GRIFFIN: Motion. 25 MR. KING: Motion. 205 1 MR. WOOD: Second. 2 MR. KING: All in favor? 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 MR. KING: All right. Thank you. Thanks, Corey. 5 (Airport Board adjourned at 1:14 p.m.) 6 - - - - - - - - - - 7 8 STATE OF TEXAS | 9 COUNTY OF KERR | 10 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 11 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 12 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 13 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 14 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 28th day of April, 2014. 15 16 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 17 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 18 Certified Shorthand Reporter 19 20 21 22 23 24 25